Re: Re: Re: UK nuclear evidence a fake

2003-03-09 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: Tom Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Deception is not new but as Chris's 'post modern' suggests, there is something new about the deployment of deception here. My point of reference would be Enron: Enron, Enron. Enron, WorldCom, Tyco, etc.,etc.,etc. What

Re: UK nuclear evidence a fake

2003-03-09 Thread Chris Burford
At 2003-03-08 22:08 -0800, Tom wrote: Deception is not new but as Chris's 'post modern' suggests, there is something new about the deployment of deception here. My point of reference would be Enron: Enron, Enron. Enron, WorldCom, Tyco, etc.,etc.,etc. What I allude to is a political economy OF

Re: Re: UK nuclear evidence a fake

2003-03-08 Thread Chris Burford
At 2003-03-07 23:32 -0800, you wrote: What's postmodern about Machievellian political strategies of strategic deception-opacity combined with a variation on good old fashioned catachresis? Ian Well, I shall avoid discussing processology! But what Blair and Campbell did was to take somewhat

Re: Re: Re: UK nuclear evidence a fake

2003-03-08 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: Chris Burford [EMAIL PROTECTED] But what Blair and Campbell did was to take somewhat dubious sources and dress them up without giving references or checking sufficiently. I do not think this is quite Machiavelli. It is about management of perceptions in the

Re: Re: Re: Re: UK nuclear evidence a fake

2003-03-08 Thread andie nachgeborenen
but then again some have suggested that Protagoras was pomo,so:-)Ian Maybe a premo? jksDo you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more

Re: UK nuclear evidence a fake

2003-03-08 Thread Tom Walker
Deception is not new but as Chris's 'post modern' suggests, there is something new about the deployment of deception here. My point of reference would be Enron: Enron, Enron. Enron, WorldCom, Tyco, etc.,etc.,etc. What I allude to is a political economy OF deceit, not simply a political economy

Re: Re: UK nuclear evidence a fake

2003-03-08 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: Tom Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Deception is not new but as Chris's 'post modern' suggests, there is something new about the deployment of deception here. My point of reference would be Enron: Enron, Enron. Enron, WorldCom, Tyco, etc.,etc.,etc. What I allude

UK nuclear evidence a fake

2003-03-07 Thread Chris Burford
From the Guardian http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,910113,00.html Another embarrassing defeat for the postmodernist approach to world governance rather than some sort of due process. Chris Burford London

Re: UK nuclear evidence a fake

2003-03-07 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: Chris Burford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 11:10 PM Subject: [PEN-L:35362] UK nuclear evidence a fake From the Guardian http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,910113,00.html Another