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do you think that writing a book can have
All Argentina needs is a few latter-day Lenins who can write a What is to be Done
updated for the current
struggle.
do you think that writing a book can have that big an effect?
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
Doug Henwood wrote:
When I interviewed Naomi Klein, who spent most of the past year in
Argentina, she said that there were so many sectarian Trot parties
trying to tell the spontaneous mass assemblies what to do that they
turned lots of people off from politics. Instead of following the
vanguard
do you think that writing a book can have that big an effect?
Whether or not a book has a big effect, depends I think on numerous
factors, and a publisher would affirm this:
- its content and form
- who wrote it
- the life and doings of the author
- the specific context it is written in, or
Devine, James wrote:
do you think that writing a book can have that big an effect?
When I interviewed Naomi Klein, who spent most of the past year in
Argentina, she said that there were so many sectarian Trot parties
trying to tell the spontaneous mass assemblies what to do that they
turned lots
has the
same kind of micropolitical orientation that the Russian economist
current had in the early 1900s. All Argentina needs is a few latter-day
Lenins who can write a What is to be Done updated for the current
struggle.
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Albert: You mentioned the existence of various Leninist, Trotskyism
If there were a simple formula for making revolution, they would be more
frequent. Many of the great revolutions would have seemed to be
relatively unlikely early on. Castro began with a bungled raid.
Neither Lenin nor Mao had widespread support early in their
revolutionary activities.
My own
, and for no other reason.
J.
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my feeling is that for a book to have a big impact, it has to fall on a
fertile field
Gar:
Carrol - I think you are overlooking the demand here. We are dealing
with a government doing the wrong thing against terrorist who have
killed a lot of people in the U.S. and successfully terrorized them.
We are opposed to the evil things this government is doing in
response. We need to
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
Gar:
Carrol - I think you are overlooking the demand here. We are dealing
with a government doing the wrong thing against terrorist who have
killed a lot of people in the U.S. and successfully terrorized them.
We are opposed to the evil things this government
Sorry - did no realize this was a closed topic. I have replied to
several comments on my comments - but now that I see your post will
reply to no more on this list.
Michael Perelman wrote:
I thought that we had put this to bed.
On Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 08:43:51PM -0800, Gar Lipow wrote:
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Gar:
Carrol - I think you are overlooking the demand here. We are dealing
with a government doing the wrong thing against terrorist
Gar:
Carrol - I think you are overlooking the demand here. We are
dealing with a government doing the wrong thing against terrorist
who have killed a lot of people in the U.S. and successfully
terrorized them. We are opposed to the evil things this government
is doing in response. We need to
at all, can be done. Then maybe we
can start talking about what can be done. Perhaps the core of avoidance
politics is this insistence that there is _always_ something to be
done, that there is no problem, no agony, that can't be relieved. (This
friend later published a paper, Letting Students
Carrol Cox wrote:
. . . what do you pacifists and fatalists and revolutionary defeatists
suggest be done? Just let them be? Act nice? Invite them over for
coffee?
This simply baffles me. All I can do is give a series of anecdotes,
fictional and actual.
The nice thing about
Gar Lipow wrote:
Carrol - I think ...
We
need to be able to answer the question: what would you do if you were
in charge?.
I and others, on this list and elsewhere, have put the arguments against
this about as fully as they can be, so endlessly repeating them seem
futile. As I told
We
need to be able to answer the question: what would you do if you were
in charge?.
I sometimes say this is what I would do if I were in charge (such as not
terror-bombing Afghanistan) but I immediately qualify this by stating that
it's impossible that such policies would be implemented
In response to a post by Carroll, I said:
Weneed to be able to answer the question: what would you do if you were
in charge?.
Devine, James wrote in reply:
I sometimes say this is what I would do if I were in charge (such as not
terror-bombing Afghanistan) but I immediately qualify
I thought that we had put this to bed.
On Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 08:43:51PM -0800, Gar Lipow wrote:
In response to a post by Carroll, I said:
Weneed to be able to answer the question: what would you do if you were
in charge?.
Devine, James wrote in reply:
I sometimes say
Michael noted:
I don't know what ICU is, but the gloating, muted as it might be given the
circumstances, has to do with the puncturing of the triumphalism of
neoliberalism, which has probably done more damage than the World Tradebombers.
Doug has correctly reminded us that the downturn also will
is to
be done is not usually debated on e-lists, whereas one can always count
upon getting a profusion of opinions, and if we are lucky, some analyses.
To do Max justice, he is interested in what is to be done; it's just that
his view on abortion is simply a non-starter given the nature of the Right,
to say
Perhaps there is either insufficient interest in or, more likely, *few good
ideas* about how to reverse the decline in abortion providers. What is to
be done is not usually debated on e-lists, whereas one can always count
upon getting a profusion of opinions, and if we are lucky, some
At 14:41 11/12/97 -0400, Ricardo wrote:
No, What Is to Be Done? is Lenin's most original political text;
indeed it is the foundation of Bolshevism: the working class
movement does not have a revolutionary consciousness of its own; left
to itself, such movement will never develop beyond trade
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I would add that, for Lenin, tiny, minute differences in strategy and
tactics
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I don't think Lenin thought the workers as "inca
Ricardo:
Was it personality, as you say? If it was, I say it was Plekhanov's
resenment that Lenin had demonstrated himself
to be the leader of the Party.
I'm sorry, Ricardo, but Plekhanov was Lenin's closest ally at the 1903
conference. He was considered Plekhnaov's protege. You really have
On Mon, 15 Dec 1997, Ricardo Duchesne wrote:
But...if they spend less time, and earn more, they will definitely
have no revolutionary consciousness. [Ricardo]
Ricardo, Is this your opinion or do you ascribe it to Lenin? I'm getting
confused in what you are trying to say. I
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At 14:41 11/12/97 -0400, Ricardo wrote:
No, What Is to Be Done? is Lenin's most original
ing called "Leninism" and making it the original sin of 20th century
left-totalitarianism. He is joined in this superficial interpretation by
"Marxist-Leninists" who view the 1903 conference as something like the
formation of a church. Meanwhile Lenin wrote long before 1917 that &quo
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Ricardo:
As you would have it, there were no differences at all! So, how do we
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Ricardo:
Was it personality, as you say? If it was, I say it was Plekhanov's
Here are two more takes on May 68.
rb
The first is from Rene Vienet (Enrages and the Situationists in the
Occupation Movement--France May-June 1968. Autonomedia Press):
"...in the space of a week, millions of people had broken with the weight
of alienating conditions, the routine of survival,
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On Thu, 11 Dec 1997, Ricardo Duchesne wrote:
No, What Is to Be Done
I would add that, for Lenin, tiny, minute differences in strategy and
tactics were always of fundamental significance, for he knew, unlike
anyone else, in revolutionary situations such differences carry
enormous implications.
ricardo
I have no idea what you mean by tiny and minute. Most of
On the topic of What is to be Done and dealing specifically with minute and
tiny matters that really shouldn't be brought up on the list: What is to be
Done to Unsub? Is the listerv a proletarianmajordomo or what. None of the modes
of address I have tried seem to work. I suspect that the whole
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The differences between Luxemburg and Lenin over organizational questions
were
Ricardo:
What worries marxists about this text is that Lenin is right.
Luxemburg is wrong. A centralized party, like the Bolshevik Party,
which claims to have a "true" understanding of the interests of the
working class, is a must. The workers themselves are incapable of
marxist
On Thu, 11 Dec 1997, Ricardo Duchesne wrote:
No, What Is to Be Done? is Lenin's most original political text;
indeed it is the foundation of Bolshevism: the working class
movement does not have a revolutionary consciousness of its own; left
to itself, such movement will never develop
little inclination to "create themselves" into Marxists.
That's why Lenin wrote What is to be done?
This is silly. Lenin wrote this in order to help construct a socialist
party in Russia based on the German model. He and Plekhanov struggled with
the Economist tendency whic
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