Re: Jim Craven review of Economics as Religion (from Marxmail)

2002-06-27 Thread Devine, James
Title: Re: Jim Craven review of Economics as Religion (from Marxmail) That's a contradiction in liberalism that's as old as Hobbes and Locke: invidualism is wonderful, so they say, until it starts undermining the system that allows individualism to reign. I don't see how the latter can

Jim Craven review of Economics as Religion (from Marxmail)

2002-06-26 Thread Louis Proyect
Economics as Religion: From Samuelson to Chicago and Beyond by Robert H. Nelson, Penn State Press, N.Y., 2001 When I bought this book it was shrink-wrapped to prevent examining its contents prior to purchase. I should have remembered my own axiom: If it is shrink-wrapped to prevent examination

Re: Jim Craven review of Economics as Religion (from Marxmail)

2002-06-26 Thread Michael Perelman
John Henry had a more positive review of the book, in that it showed the contradictory nature of neo-liberal thought. Individualism is supposedly good, but too much individualism is destructive. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel.

RE: Economics as religion

2002-04-21 Thread Devine, James
I wrote:normative assumptions seem inherent in the process of building models. Models, by their very nature, simplify empirical reality in order to understand it. Then you must decide which simplifying assumptions to make. The standard one is perfect competition without externalities (etc.) -- so

RE: Re: Economics as religion

2002-04-20 Thread Devine, James
Positive economics is alive and well and living in Austria? What a crock. Show me any orthodox micro analysis that isn't rife with normative assumptions and I will genuflect with humiliation. I have no worries that I will be so obliged. normative assumptions seem inherent in the process

RE: RE: Re: Economics as religion

2002-04-20 Thread Max B. Sawicky
normative assumptions seem inherent in the process of building models. Models, by their very nature, simplify empirical reality in order to understand it. Then you must decide which simplifying assumptions to make. The standard one is perfect competition without externalities (etc.) -- so that

Economics as religion

2002-04-19 Thread Louis Proyect
H-NET BOOK REVIEW Published by H-Business and [EMAIL PROTECTED] (April, 2002) Robert H. Nelson. _Economics as Religion: From Samuelson to Chicago and Beyond_. University Park: Pennsylvania State University Press, 2001. xxvi + 378 pp. Index. $35.00 (cloth), ISBN 0-271-02095-4. Reviewed for

Re: Economics as religion

2002-04-19 Thread Michael Perelman
Tollison has written extensively about the Catholic church as a monopoly in the market for salvation. He is very conservative (of the Austrian variety) and so would not be sympathetic to the book. That he was as positive as he was suggests that the book might be good. -- Michael Perelman

Re: Economics as religion

2002-04-19 Thread phillp2
From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: m [EMAIL PROTECTED], pen-l pen- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date sent: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 18:16:51 -0400 Subject:[PEN-L:25197] Economics as religion Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] At times

Re: RE: Re: economics as religion

2001-06-12 Thread Justin Schwartz
Jon Elster has a number of recent works on norms that seem to fit the bill; the titles escape me just now. --jks From: Max Sawicky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:13126] RE: Re: economics as religion Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:12:00 +0100

economics as religion

2001-06-11 Thread Jim Devine
Economics as Religion From Samuelson to Chicago and Beyond Robert H. Nelson Spring 2001 | 392 pgs | 6 x 9 An insightful exploration of the powerful role that economic belief plays in our modern society as a secular religion that serves many of the same functions as early Christian and other

Re: economics as religion

2001-06-11 Thread Anthony DCosta
Could anyone offer a good book that deals with microeconomic behaviour say of individuals to noneconomic wants (religion, group solidarity, and the like)? I would prefer a less technical/modelling approach and more of a truly interdisciplinary treatment, bringing to bear insights from

Re: economics as religion

2001-06-11 Thread Tim Bousquet
at Universities that promote free market ideology and such. Tim --- Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Economics as Religion From Samuelson to Chicago and Beyond Robert H. Nelson Spring 2001 | 392 pgs | 6 x 9 An insightful exploration of the powerful role that economic belief plays

Re: Re: economics as religion

2001-06-11 Thread Jim Devine
Harvey Cox had an article titled The Market as God in the ATLANTIC MONTHLY. I don't know the date. At 03:01 PM 6/11/01 -0700, you wrote: I'ver been working on an article for sometime about the religion of the market. Thomas Frank, of Babbler Magazine, sort of beat me to the punch with his One

RE: Re: economics as religion

2001-06-11 Thread Max Sawicky
Kenneth Boulding. The Economy of Love and Fear. mbs Could anyone offer a good book that deals with microeconomic behaviour say of individuals to noneconomic wants (religion, group solidarity, and the like)? I would prefer a less technical/modelling approach and more of a truly

Re: economics as religion

2001-06-11 Thread Michael Perelman
The reviewer, Timur Kuran, has also writen on the subject. On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 02:37:00PM -0700, Jim Devine wrote: Economics as Religion From Samuelson to Chicago and Beyond Robert H. Nelson Spring 2001 | 392 pgs | 6 x 9 An insightful exploration of the powerful role that economic

Re: Re: Re: economics as religion

2001-06-11 Thread Michael Perelman
Some people from Auburn have written some nice stuff against the Catholic church, describing the struggles of the reformation, as an attempt to break the Catholic's monopoly on the market for salvation. Here is a slightly different variant. Ekelund, Robert B., Jr, Robert F. Hebert and Robert

Re: Re: economics as religion

2001-06-11 Thread Louis Proyect
June Nash, We Eat the Mines and the Mines Eat Us Emile Zola, Germinal Marshall Sahlins, Stone Age Economics Harry Braverman, Labor and Monopoly Capital David Noble, Forces of Production At 02:52 PM 6/11/01 -0700, you wrote: Could anyone offer a good book that deals with microeconomic behaviour

Re: Re: economics as religion

2001-06-11 Thread William S. Lear
On Monday, June 11, 2001 at 15:01:56 (-0700) Tim Bousquet writes: I'ver been working on an article for sometime about the religion of the market. Thomas Frank, of Babbler Magazine, sort of beat me to the punch with his One Market Under God, but there's still a lot to be said. Ken Lay is example

Re: Re: Re: Re: economics as religion

2001-06-11 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here is a slightly different variant. Ekelund, Robert B., Jr, Robert F. Hebert and Robert D. Tollison. 1989. An Economic Model of the Medieval Church: Usury as a Form of Rent Seeking. Journal of Law, Economics and

[PEN-L:809] Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: economics of religion III

1998-11-02 Thread Doug Henwood
Michael Eisenscher wrote: One of the aspirations of the gay rights movement is to establish a far broader and more inclusive definition of "family" (as well as of marriage). The women's movement has long fought to establish the legitimacy of female-headed families. I wish that's what's

[PEN-L:815] Re: The economics of religion

1998-11-02 Thread Rosser Jr, John Barkley
Well, this is a complicated business. One must distinguish "economic" from "social" issues here, which some would not allow, of course. Thus, although the leaders of the CC tend to be economically well-off white males whose agenda is "conservative" on both economic and social grounds,

[PEN-L:807] Re: RE: Re: Re: economics of religion III

1998-11-02 Thread Michael Eisenscher
At 10:10 AM 11/2/98 -0500, Max Sawicky wrote: I imagine somebody could take 'family' as a slur on non-nuclear families, but this strikes me as leaning towards paranoia. If the left can't appropriate the notion of family to its own ends, it can hardly hope to redefine the national political

[PEN-L:822] Re: Re: The economics of religion

1998-11-02 Thread William S. Lear
On Mon, November 2, 1998 at 17:02:57 (-0500) Rosser Jr, John Barkley writes: ... Many of the footsoldiers are African Americans, for starters, and those tend to be definitely left-of-center on the US political spectrum with respect to economic issues. Doesn't this have to do with their

[PEN-L:825] Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: economics of religion III

1998-11-02 Thread Michael Eisenscher
I don't disagree, Doug. The "progressives" and labor movement gurus have a long and treasured (by them) record of pandering to the conservative side of the spectrum of political views in the working class. But the challenge is whether the Left will relinquish the field to the opportunists and

[PEN-L:805] RE: Re: Re: economics of religion III

1998-11-02 Thread Max Sawicky
. . . The AFL-CIO talks a lot about "working families" too; if you're unemployed or single, well, you just don't play well in focus groups! But the AFL-CIO's top economist, Tom Palley, used the phrase "family wage" at the 1997 URPE summer camp, and seemed perplexed when people objected. Why

[PEN-L:808] Re: RE: Re: Re: economics of religion III

1998-11-02 Thread Doug Henwood
Max Sawicky wrote: Why did they object? Because "family wage" is a relic of the male breadwinner era. What's wrong with "living wage," which doesn't have all the sexist baggage? I imagine somebody could take 'family' as a slur on non-nuclear families, but this strikes me as leaning towards

[PEN-L:795] Re: economics of religion III

1998-11-01 Thread valis
Quoth Doug, in part: Of course, there are some "leftists" who are trying to reach out to the likes of Gary Bauer (see the Sept/Oct Mother Jones for an example), who is running something called the Campaign for Working Families. No doubt the New Party, Acorn, Democratic Party hacks, and

[PEN-L:798] Re: Re: economics of religion III

1998-11-01 Thread Doug Henwood
valis wrote: "The Working Families Party"? There is, honestly? Yes there is. It was put together by a group consisting of ex-NYC mayor David Dinkins and some of his cronies, ACORN, the New Party, and some "progressive" union types. It's very similar to electoral vehicles assembled by a similar

[PEN-L:792] Re: Re: The economics of religion

1998-11-01 Thread Doug Henwood
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have heard Sara Diamond argue that the footsoldiers of the Christian Coalition are not particularly conservative. Depends on how you define conservative. Their gender politics and notions of morality are almost by definition conservative. Of course, there are some

[PEN-L:783] Re: The economics of religion

1998-10-31 Thread michael
I have heard Sara Diamond argue that the footsoldiers of the Christian Coalition are not particularly conservative. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:780] The economics of religion

1998-10-31 Thread William S. Lear
In the latest *Journal of Economic Literature* (Vol. XXXVI, Sept. '98), Laurence R. Iannaccone (formerly a Visiting Scholar at the Hoover Institution) has an "Introduction to the Economics of Religion". In it, he makes a few interesting claims: It is, in fact, only within