Justin Schwartz wrote:
Oh, Norm, stop the silly bad sociobiology. Competitive behavior is
"programmed" into us, but it is triggered only in certain circumstances.
Violent behavior is likewise "programmed: into us, but we don't say, well in
that case, let's legalize assault and murder!
Well, the point of the pop sociobiological claim is to legitimate nasty behaviors and
unjust social arrangements by reference to the principle "ought implies can": because
we can't do anything about our propensity towards hierarchy and competitiveness (so
it's said), we just have to live with
t to these views?
norm
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We don't have to assume social behavior is learned. We know it is.
Andrew Austin
Green Bay, WI
nt: Friday, December 08, 2000 7:48 AM
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whoa, austin just one minute please!
i read your drift that you don't agree with my expert opinions.
first, who is "we", like in "We know it is."? the entire w
" supposed to wither
away?), why is that statement absurd?
norm
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In order to know how genetics &
norm wrote:
i say that humans, like ALL animals, have a genetic endowment that limits
how we behave.
I think it's silly to reject -- as some leftists do -- the fact that
there's a genetic determinant to the "nature of human nature." The genetic
basis of human nature, however, has a lot of room
way?), why is that statement absurd?
norm
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In order to know how genetics "limits" us, we would
norm said:
co-ops may be limited by people's limited motivation for cooperation with
each other. e.g, if we are 25% genetically programmed to cooperate with
people (for survival purposes) and 75%% genetically programmed to compete
with people (again, for survival purposes), then cooperative
norm wrote:
if you accept the above statements as facts, then why do ideologues advocate
LARGE economic and political changes when the results of these are unknown?
I believe that only the people themselves can institute large economic and
political changes. Though I may think that they are
How does hierarchical organization have a genetic component? Why even assume
this?
Andrew Austin
Green Bay, WI
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From: Mikalac Norman S NSSC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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We don't have to assume social behavior is learned. We know it is.
Andrew Austin
Green Bay, WI
and group ("groupies") around
"big people"? why assume that behavior is learned?
as i said many times, when it comes to human behavior, NO ONE knows how much
is genetic (nature) and how much is environment (nurture, culture)
motivation. since we don't know very much about human
thanks for the reference. i'll put the Encyclopedia of PE on my list that
seems to grow faster than my purchases. no wonder my psychiatrist daughter
calls me a "bookaholic". (so how can i refute a Board-certified shrink?)
interesting you mention the Mondragon market because Chomsky is always
Oh, Norm, stop the silly bad sociobiology. Competitive behavior is
"programmed" into us, but it is triggered only in certain circumstances.
Violent behavior is likewise "programmed: into us, but we don't say, well in
that case, let's legalize assault and murder! Rather, we craete social and
At 10:27 AM 12/6/00 -0500, you wrote:
thanks for the reference. i'll put the Encyclopedia of PE on my list that
seems to grow faster than my purchases. no wonder my psychiatrist daughter
calls me a "bookaholic". (so how can i refute a Board-certified shrink?)
interesting you mention the
So how do you explain suicides?Do genetic programmes crash :)
Cheers, Ken Hanly
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co-ops may be limited
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