RE: Steedman barbeques new growth theory

2002-01-23 Thread Devine, James
in the prestigious JOURNAL OF ECONOMIC PERSPECTIVES (edited by pen-l alumnus, Brad de Long, though maybe not at that time) about new growth theory which included old wine in new bottles in its title? Abramowitz is an old-fashioned neoclassical. On efficiency wages as an explanation of wage

Re: RE: Steedman barbeques new growth theory

2002-01-23 Thread Michael Perelman
not at that time) about new growth theory which included old wine in new bottles in its title? Abramowitz is an old-fashioned neoclassical. On efficiency wages as an explanation of wage differentials by race and gender, both Darity and Rhonda Williams have some pretty severe criticisms. what

Re: RE: Steedman barbeques new growth theory

2002-01-23 Thread Michael Perelman
Abramovitz was critical of new growth theory. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chico, CA 95929 530-898-5321 fax 530-898-5901

RE: Re: RE: Steedman barbeques new growth theory

2002-01-23 Thread Devine, James
Michael Perelmany writes: I don't think that Abramovitz wrote such an article. Also, I think that it is unfair to tar him as a neoclassical economist. He was much broader. you're right. The article I was thinking of was: Nelson, Richard, How New Is New Growth Theory? Challenge v40, n5 (Sept

Re: Re: RE: Steedman barbeques new growth theory

2002-01-23 Thread ALI KADRI
Ben Fine wrote an excellent critique of new growth theory, far more comprehensive than just an emphasis on conceptual cum measurement problems associated with knowledge or human capital. --- Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Abramovitz was critical of new growth theory. -- Michael

Steedman barbeques new growth theory

2002-01-21 Thread Ian Murray
http://growthconf.ec.unipi.it/papers/Steedman1.pdf short piece.

Re: Re: Re: Re: new growth theory

2001-02-19 Thread ALI KADRI
I think the purpose of all this is a search for a means to offset limitations of a formal approach to growth theory. Diminishing returns of capital and labour set in quickly in a Cobb Douglas setting, then you need human capital to offset diminishing returns. i have done something like that for

RE: Re: RE: Re: new growth theory

2001-02-19 Thread Forstater, Mathew
As far as what prompted it, I would say the fact that before it came along, neoclassical growth theory was dead dead dead!!! What do you mean by this, though? Was it not able to predict the growth rates of postwar Japan? Or was the fashion for it over? It had no more explanatory power? (If

RE: Re: RE: Re: new growth theory

2001-02-19 Thread Forstater, Mathew
Christian wrote: What do you mean by this, though? Was it not able to predict the growth rates of postwar Japan? Are you familiar with Shaikh's HUMBUG production function? Mat Anwar Shaikh, 1974, "Laws of algebra and laws of production" Review of Economics and Statistics, 51, 1, pp. 115-20.

Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: new growth theory

2001-02-17 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
d analysis, but I think one needs to do more than that. Barkley Rosser -Original Message- From: Forstater, Mathew [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, February 16, 2001 6:50 PM Subject: [PEN-L:8226] RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: new growth theory Seriously, they

RE: Re: Re: Re: new growth theory

2001-02-16 Thread Forstater, Mathew
nd post-Millian economic reasoning, including all versions of neoclassical analysis." Of course, Lowe considers Marx in this respect the zenith of 'classical political economy.' Kurz's article shows that Romer and 'new growth theory' are still but 'dim reflections', not adding anything

Re: Re: Re: Re: new growth theory

2001-02-16 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
MAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, February 15, 2001 7:59 PM Subject: [PEN-L:8167] Re: Re: Re: new growth theory At 03:42 PM 2/15/01 -0500, you wrote: The best critique I have seen is Heinz Kurz and Neri Salvadori, "Theories of 'Endogenous Growth' in Historical Perspective," in _Contempo

Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: new growth theory

2001-02-16 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
: [PEN-L:8197] RE: Re: Re: Re: new growth theory Jim says: so what, in short, is the substance of their critique? I don't know that particular paper, but I have another one by Kurz. First, Kurz begins by quoting Adolph Lowe from a must-read 1954 article called "The Classical Theory of Eco

Re: new growth theory

2001-02-16 Thread christian11
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kurz starts with Solow's model, relating it to new growth theory NGT). Interestingly, Kurz shows that while one of the common views is that the novelty of NGT is incorporation of increasing returns, IR is not an essential ingredient--if this assumption is abandoned

Re: new growth theory

2001-02-16 Thread Lisa Ian Murray
One of the things I'm curious about is what prompted the development of NGT. From what people have said, it sounds like a minor contribution (if any meaningful contribution at all) to growth theory. I'm wondering: what was the impasse (perceived or real) that prompted development NGT, a theory

Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: new growth theory

2001-02-16 Thread Jim Devine
My cup runneth over! Thank you very much, Mat! I hope that those who don't know growth theory as well as I to shun the "newness" of Romer _et al_. This should encourage me to dig up the chapter on growth theory of my dissertation (which treats growth as a disequilibrium process)... but it

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: new growth theory

2001-02-16 Thread Jim Devine
Barkley wrote: Basically they do a very careful review of past approaches to growth theory and show that many of the classical writers, starting with Adam Smith, had essentially fully developed models of growth that incorporate the essential ideas of "new endogenous growth theory."

RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: new growth theory

2001-02-16 Thread Forstater, Mathew
think? -Original Message- From: J. Barkley Rosser, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 3:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:8212] Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: new growth theory Mat, The one you have may be either an earlier version or some variation

RE: Re: new growth theory

2001-02-16 Thread Forstater, Mathew
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 3:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:8213] Re: new growth theory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kurz starts with Solow's model, relating it to new growth theory NGT). Interestingly, Kurz shows that while one of the common

Re: RE: Re: new growth theory

2001-02-16 Thread Christian Gregory
I'm sorry, I missed what TFP stood for? Total factor productivity. Is Arrow's A really TFP? As far as what prompted it, I would say the fact that before it came along, neoclassical growth theory was dead dead dead!!! What do you mean by this, though? Was it not able to predict the growth

RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: new growth theory

2001-02-16 Thread Lisa Ian Murray
Barkley wrote: Basically they do a very careful review of past approaches to growth theory and show that many of the classical writers, starting with Adam Smith, had essentially fully developed models of growth that incorporate the essential ideas of "new endogenous growth theory."

new growth theory

2001-02-15 Thread Jim Devine
I've never been impressed by the so-called "new" growth theory, a version of neoclassical (Solow) growth theory pushed by David Romer and others. Moses Abramowitz -- a leader of "old" growth theory -- had a article in CHALLENGE awhile back in which he argued that there'

Re: new growth theory

2001-02-15 Thread Michael Perelman
is information, which can be infinitely re-used. On Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 11:12:49AM -0800, Jim Devine wrote: I've never been impressed by the so-called "new" growth theory, a version of neoclassical (Solow) growth theory pushed by David Romer and others. Moses Abramowitz -- a leader of &q

RE: new growth theory

2001-02-15 Thread Forstater, Mathew
well i think colander's definition is not very good. it would be endogenous, and that would be different than Solow, right? what is good about "new" growth theory is not new. it is in Adam Smith (capital accumulation leads to technical change and technical change leads to capital ac

Re: Re: new growth theory

2001-02-15 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
L:8143] Re: new growth theory I have never been able to figure out why Romer's work has made such a buzz. The only thing different between his an Solow's is that he emphasizes that the supposed key source of growth has no marginal cost. Whereas Solow's idea of growth would be technology embodied i

Re: new growth theory

2001-02-15 Thread christian11
I've never understood, given a certain set of assumptions, why endogenous growth theory was more satisfactory than neoclassical theory. In the textbooks I've read, the difference comes down to the role of technology (NCt doesn't really explain why this is the limit of growth, or where it comes

Re: Re: Re: new growth theory

2001-02-15 Thread Jim Devine
At 03:42 PM 2/15/01 -0500, you wrote: The best critique I have seen is Heinz Kurz and Neri Salvadori, "Theories of 'Endogenous Growth' in Historical Perspective," in _Contemporary Economic Issues: Economic Behaviour and Design, vol. 4, IEA Conference Volume No. 124, Proceedings of the

Re: Re: new growth theory

2001-02-15 Thread Michael Perelman
The difference is that once the marginal cost is spent, the information can be used over and over. A machine cannot do the same thing. On Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 05:32:02PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've never understood, given a certain set of assumptions, why endogenous growth theory was

Re: Re: Re: new growth theory

2001-02-15 Thread Christian Gregory
Sure, but how is this cost of information different than the cost of training an employee how to use a complex machine? It costs time and money to do so, but once you do, the info can be used over and over at no cost to run the machine . Would this also not just be a variation on the Solow model

Re: Re: Re: Re: new growth theory

2001-02-15 Thread Michael Perelman
We are in agreement. I only said that the zero marginal costs was the major difference between the two approaches. On Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 10:33:06PM -0800, Christian Gregory wrote: Sure, but how is this cost of information different than the cost of training an employee how to use a complex