Mike P.--
Your Aug 31 Guardian article reprint on the activity of the UN
is excellent backup for the polemic against the UN we did recently.
Your info. focuses on the material basis on the UN's actions on
behalf of supporting the most powerful capitalisms in the world.
Very nice.
thanks
Neil
Greetings Economists,
Jim Devine writes about calling current economics autistic,
Jim,
I'm not sure I like the idea of "post-autistic economics." The problem is
that the analogy of the dominant school of economics with autism doesn't
work as well as it should.
Doyle
Let's use the metaphor
What does disembodied mean? Well actually that is part of your job to
figure out when you are looking
through disability as a good metaphor. I know there must be some
disability
someplace that really puts a finger on current economic theory and says
what
G'day Doyle,
we want to know. Think
Greetings Economists,
Rob Schaap was mulling over in his mind what it meant to him that
mainstream economics is disembodied in relying upon mathematics, so Rob
started to apply how he might describe that way of living,
Rob,
Well, if we're talking economics, I reckon we're simply talking
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Here's a question: If there are two scholars, one male and one female, who
write exceptionally on fundamentalism which would be cited, referenced,
quoted and read more often in a classroom? If you can't
While I agree with much of what Fields says this last bit is quite wrong.
It is not a tautology to see Anglo-American racism as a precondition of
slavery based upon skin color and ancestry since slavery and racism are not
identical. Prejudice against black cats may be a precondition of killing
You are assuming that everyone knows that 2 + 2 = 4 or Ottawa is the capital
of Canada. Some people could care less and it may or may not be a part of
what makes up their reality. If something is not part of a person's reality
then it can not possibly influence what they think "the truth" is.
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Brad DeLong wrote:
I think people who comment on
Friday September 1 3:51 PM ET
Administration To Push Tax-Breaks
By MARCY GORDON, AP Business Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) - Over European objections, the Clinton administration will
continue to push for enactment of legislation creating new tax breaks for
U.S. companies that export goods or make them
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el 2 Sep 00, a las 7:49, Brad De Long dijo:
I would have thought that we would approve the replacement of
nationalist-militarist iconography--that you win honor by killing
others and dying for your hierarchical
Doyle wrote:
The main criteria being economics using math is disembodied.
I think that "disembodied" is slightly off the mark. The key problems of
the dominant school of economics involve being anti-social (following
Maggie T to see society as an illusion, with only individuals being real)
I seem to have failed to unsub. So, for what it's
worth, I'll wish everybody a happy Labor Day before
I attempt again to disappear.
Barkley Rosser
Nicole,
Well, since I'm still here
I think Doug is right that narratives are important.
I also think that pomo may have served a useful purpose
at certain points in helping some people get outside of
confining mental structures and perspectives. Where
I have a problem with it (and
Hey, we all know that Doug's true identity is to be
Sergeant Joe Friday, :-).
Barkley Rosser
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Rob,
Now, now. I kind of still like the pre-pomo if
totally currently outre notion of Norman O. Brown
that capital is symbolic feces. After all, Martin Luther
had his crucial revelation while taking a crap. And
we all know about that old Protestant ethic and the
spirit of capitalism!
French economic theorizing has long had a tendency
toward extreme formality and abstraction and mathematical
esotricism. This reflects a deep Bourbakist tradition in
mathematics that emphasizes theorem proving and hyper
rationality. Most would say that this is part of the Cartesian
Jim,
I would be careful about identifying the aping of
physics by economists with the autism of the ultra
formalistic French school. There is an amusing tale
about the first Santa Fe conference back in the late
80s when the physicists and a bunch of economists
pulled in by Kenneth Arrow got
Jim,
Interesting that you praise Debreu. You are correct
that his (and Arrow's) model theory can be seen to show
how the real world does not fit the glorious assumptions of
their theoretical one. But, OTOH, Debreu certainly is a
clear example of the French syle of ultra-formalistic
Greetings Economists,
Jim Devine writes at length about his view on,
Jim,
The key problems of the dominant school of economics involve being
anti-social (following Maggie T to see society as an illusion, with only
individuals being real) and excessively abstract.
and concluding remark,
I
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An interesting excerpt from a column written a couple of years ago by
The Nation's own neoconservative leftist, Eric Alterman, part of a
classic pomo-bashing screed:
"But here's the twist. [Labor historian Nelson] Lichtenstein is part
of a perfectly Rortyite reformist Campaign for a Living
Ken Hanly wrote:
While I agree with much of what Fields says this last bit is quite wrong.
It is not a tautology to see Anglo-American racism as a precondition of
slavery based upon skin color and ancestry since slavery and racism are not
identical. Prejudice against black cats may be a
Nicole Seibert wrote:
You are assuming that everyone knows that 2 + 2 = 4 or Ottawa is the capital
of Canada. Some people could care less and it may or may not be a part of
what makes up their reality. If something is not part of a person's reality
then it can not possibly influence what
"'Working-Class' Majority Needs a Hero"
Viewpoint in Newsday, September 1, 2000, A53
By Michael Zweig** Michael Zweig teaches economics at SUNY Stony Brook
and is the author of The Working Class Majority: America's Best Kept
Secret (Cornell University Press).
An argument claiming that whites were enslaved in America is possible only
if indenture, convict labor, and other forms of unfreedom, are redefined as
slavery. An argument for "white slavery" is especially odd given that it is
far more often argued that blacks were early on under terms of
G'day Nicole,
You are assuming that everyone knows that 2 + 2 = 4 or Ottawa is the
capital
of Canada. Some people could care less and it may or may not be a part of
what makes up their reality. If something is not part of a person's
reality
then it can not possibly influence what they think
Barkley wrote:
I would be careful about identifying the aping of physics by economists
with the autism of the ultra formalistic French school.
In reality, I said that the aping of physics by economists might be a sign
of non-autism (since it involved adulation of society's status
Sez Doyle,
I can find in the above statement the term delusional narcissism as the
means of Rob understanding what disembodiment means for economic practice.
Well, I said fashionable neoliberal economic practice has a studies refusal
to engage with the real world about it - that ignoring
Greetings Economists,
Rob Schaap responds to my remarks, by going back to a previous line of
reasoning he has made before, but repeats in this remark here,
Rob,
Didn't want to use 'dismbodiment' precisely
'coz its meaning and virtues as analogy were in contention here (I'm
learning to be
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