Re: Klebnikov

2004-07-11 Thread Chris Doss
I would guess it was probably someone who got pissed off at having their hidden income reported in Forbes' 100 Richest in Russia list. Or it could be someone in the Chechen Mafia angry at his depiction of Nukhayev. Or a combination therefof. Who knows? This is really, really sad. Klebnikov was a

Defeat of invasion of Iraq

2004-07-11 Thread Chris Burford
It is not Stalingrad, in that US troops are not surrounded, and the news is spun heavily to make each retreat sound like a success for the US-UK coalition, but the language of commentary is slipping towards the language of defeat. Yes, the US is mighty enough to use awesome force to destroy any

Re: Klebnikov

2004-07-11 Thread Chris Doss
BTW the oligarchs and the Chechen Mafia are not mutually exclusive. Berezovsky's links to the Chechen militants are well-known. In fact, Klebnikov wrote a couple of whole books about it. --- Chris Doss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would guess it was probably someone who got pissed off at having

The US's inevitable dictator

2004-07-11 Thread Marvin Gandall
(It was bound to come to this - something which always eludes liberal imperialists like George Ignatieff and Thomas Friedman, seduced by the promise that US intervention abroad, however messy, will yield democratic results. The Pentagons widely discredited choice for strongman, Ahmed Chalabi, was

Correction

2004-07-11 Thread Marvin Gandall
Sorry. Michael Ignatieff. George was his dad, a Canadian diplomat.

Re: Klebnikov

2004-07-11 Thread Michael Perelman
How did they use each other? On Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 05:06:28AM -0700, Chris Doss wrote: BTW the oligarchs and the Chechen Mafia are not mutually exclusive. Berezovsky's links to the Chechen militants are well-known. In fact, Klebnikov wrote a couple of whole books about it. -- Michael

Re: Oil surprises

2004-07-11 Thread Devine, James
Auerbach writes: The reference to Hubbert's peak -- after the geologist who first made the case for depletion dynamics in the oil patch -- omits to note that the prediction was highly controversial inside and outside of the oil business until the 1980s, when it was proven correct. no

Re: Oil surprises

2004-07-11 Thread sartesian
Oh Jim, you are much too generous. The Hubbert Peak theory, far from even being randomly correct has been shown to be internally inconsistent, and externally inaccurate. - Original Message - From: Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:30 AM

Re: Oil surprises

2004-07-11 Thread Devine, James
kinda like astrology? Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine From: PEN-L list on behalf of sartesian Sent: Sun 7/11/2004 1:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Oil surprises Oh Jim, you are much too generous. The

Re: Oil surprises

2004-07-11 Thread sartesian
Egg-zackly. - Original Message - From: Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Oil surprises kinda like astrology? Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine

Re: Africa should not pay its debts - Jeffrey Sachs

2004-07-11 Thread Daniel Davies
I have not followed Sachs closely in most recent times but I think he would strongly object to being called a 'man of the left'. maybe I was being too charitable on this point ... I'd say he's a man of the left in the same sense in which Brad DeLong is; ie, the plain man would identify him as

Re: Fw: [stop-imf] Africa should not pay its debts - Jeffrey Sachs

2004-07-11 Thread Daniel Davies
One of the interesting things about the whole imbroglio is that very, very few African states have material debts to privately owned capital. It's almost all government-to-government debt or IMF debt apart from SA, Botswana and a bit of trade finance (which IMO shouldn't really be analysed as

Re: Klebnikov

2004-07-11 Thread Daniel Davies
It's a useful corollorary (?) of social network theory that almost all bad lads are joined up together, via a smallish number of connected node individuals. The North Korean government's forged $100 bills ended up financing the ecstasy trade in Birmingham, via the Libyans, the mafiya and the

Re: Africa should not pay its debts - Jeffrey Sachs

2004-07-11 Thread Louis Proyect
Paul wrote: I have not followed Sachs closely in most recent times but I think he would strongly object to being called a 'man of the left'. I have heard him point out that his macroeconomic views are thoroughly mainstream (akin to his Harvard ex-colleagues) and that indeed starting in Bolivia

Cozying up to conservatives

2004-07-11 Thread Louis Proyect
LA Times, July 11, 2004 THE RACE TO THE WHITE HOUSE Kerry to Reach Out to 'People on the Right' Candidate's new strategy embraces conservatives. He seems unconcerned about ruffling liberals By Matea Gold and Mark Z. Barabak, Times Staff Writers ALBUQUERQUE Counting on his liberal base to stick

Re: Africa should not pay its debts - Jeffrey Sachs

2004-07-11 Thread Carl Remick
From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have refrained from saying anything about Jeffrey Sachs or (Joseph Stiglitz) being more to the left than other economists, especially in their role as window dressing at Columbia University--my employer. Come, come. You're not threatening a crime against

Re: Klebnikov

2004-07-11 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 7/11/2004 1:20:45 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's a useful corollorary (?) of social network theory that almost all badlads are joined up together, via a smallish number of "connected node"individuals. The North Korean government's forged

Re: Africa should not pay its debts - Jeffrey Sachs

2004-07-11 Thread Carl Remick
From: Daniel Davies [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have not followed Sachs closely in most recent times but I think he would strongly object to being called a 'man of the left'. maybe I was being too charitable on this point ... I'd say he's a man of the left in the same sense in which Brad DeLong is ... [In

Reply to Rick Perlstein

2004-07-11 Thread Louis Proyect
Hi, Rick, I am cc'ing Marxmail and PEN-L on this. I doubt that the howling extremist mob on the former would have much interest in how the Democrats can become a majority party again, but I know that PEN-L is very tuned in to this topic. To start with, everybody should take a look at Rick's

Re: Klebnikov

2004-07-11 Thread Daniel Davies
Michael was just asking how the Russian oligarchs would go about making use of Chechen freedom fighters; my point was only that, in general, there is a surprisingly efficient global community of violent men and no particular instance of thugs of two kinds working together ought to

Re: Klebnikov

2004-07-11 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 7/11/2004 3:13:15 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Cynical jaded New Yorker wants to know: When you lend someone counterfeit money, are you still doing that person a good turn? Should expect repayment, with interest? In real or counterfeit

Tax Dollars At Work

2004-07-11 Thread sartesian
I hate to say I told you so department: Tom Ridge asking Ashcroft to look into what it would take to postpone the November elections... No joke. Hmmh.. what comes to mind? Declaring everyone enemy combatants? Simple exercise of executive privilege? Resolution of Congress authorizing the

Spam fraud moves up a notch

2004-07-11 Thread Michael Perelman
Usually I get requests from the families of disgraced dictators. Now look who writes me. - Forwarded message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 17:26:31 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Assistance from you Office of the Chairman The Independent

Re: Klebnikov

2004-07-11 Thread sartesian
Cynical jaded New Yorker wants to know: When you lend someone counterfeit money, are you still doing that person a good turn? Should expect repayment, with interest? In real or counterfeit money? - Original Message - From: Daniel Davies To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:

Re: Klebnikov

2004-07-11 Thread Daniel Davies
JK Galbraith referred to it as "the bezzle" -- the increment to national wealth during that period when the conman knows he has got the mark's money, but the mark is as yet not aware that he has been dispossessed of it ... -Original Message-From: PEN-L list [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: Klebnikov

2004-07-11 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 7/11/2004 5:02:03 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Galbraith referred to it as "the bezzle" -- the increment to national wealth during that period when the conman knows he has got the mark's money, but the mark is as yet not aware that he has been

new radio product

2004-07-11 Thread Doug Henwood
Just added to my radio archive http://www.leftbusinessobserver.com/Radio.html: July 8, 2004 Lakshman Achuthan of the Economic Cycles Research Institute and co-author of Beating the Business Cycle, on cycles in general, this odd one specifically, and the likely slowdown by yearend * Norman Kelley,

counterfeit currency

2004-07-11 Thread Devine, James
It is my understanding the biggest counterfeiter of currency is the world today is the US government. Is not fiat money counterfeit by definition? no. in a system of fiat money, the state defines what's counterfeit and what's not. If you disagree, they've got more guns than you. by the way,

Re: Spam fraud moves up a notch

2004-07-11 Thread Craven, Jim
Michael P wrote: Usually I get requests from the families of disgraced dictators. Now look who writes me. Office of the Chairman The Independent Committee of Eminent Persons 20 rue de Candolle (3rd Floor), 1205 Geneva, Switzerland email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.icep-iaep.org : web My

Re: Spam fraud moves up a notch

2004-07-11 Thread sartesian
The Claims Resolution Tribunal has been mandated to report all unclaimed funds for permanent closure of accounts and transfer of existing credit balance into the treasury of Switzerland government as provided by the law for management of assets of deceased beneficiaries who died interstate

Re: Spam fraud moves up a notch

2004-07-11 Thread Craven, Jim
Should be reading dying intestate or without a will. Jim C. -Original Message- From: PEN-L list [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sartesian Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 6:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Spam fraud moves up a notch The Claims Resolution Tribunal

Re: counterfeit currency

2004-07-11 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 7/11/2004 5:48:40 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is my understanding the biggest counterfeiter of currency is the world today is the US government. Is not fiat money counterfeit by definition? no. in a system of fiat money, the state defines

Re: Spam fraud moves up a notch

2004-07-11 Thread sartesian
New that Jim, it was just a joke... interstate, Volker can't wait to send this guys my CC number - Original Message - From: Craven, Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Spam fraud moves up a notch Should be reading

Re: counterfeit currency

2004-07-11 Thread Devine, James
Gresham's Law says that you should spread the counterfeit money quickly. There should be more counterfeit currency as a percentage of currency in circulation than in people's hoards of cash (unless it's recently been printed). a friend once found that his $20 was fake. He was so frustrated,

pen-l archives on csf shutting down

2004-07-11 Thread Michael Perelman
After many years, the csf archives -- in fact the whole csf system -- is going to disappear. We all owe a debt of gratitude to Don Roper Michael Yount for keeping it going. http://csf.colorado.edu/pen-l/ Some of you have not subscribed to pen-l directly, but only though the CSF site. You will

recovery fading

2004-07-11 Thread Michael Perelman
The New York Times is suggesting that the Bush boom might be fizzling. http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/12/business/12slow.html -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail michael at ecst.csuchico.edu