Mythologising Native Americans

1998-01-05 Thread Louis Proyect
My problem with Shiva is her gender essentialism, her romanticism about India's pre-colonial past, her hypocrisy in leading a very cosmopolitan life while recommending that everyone else stay at home, and a very un-nuanced rejection of technology. Just because Monsanto is using biotech to screw

Re: Moral appeasement of capitalism

1998-01-05 Thread valis
Quoth Mark Jones, in part: Such a post-capitalist world will be in the truest sense sustainable: a post-scientific, post-industrial world, a world of social stasis as the true precondition for HUMAN development and for the regeneration of now-failing ecosystems, a world in which time will be

Re: Village idiocy revisited

1998-01-05 Thread valis
Quoth Wojtek, in conclusion: The Bushmen had no way of knowing that anthropologists could replenish their water supply in a very short period of time; they thought that the few canisters on the expedition's truck was all the water they got. Yet, the first to receive water were those who

Re: Marx on Native Americans

1998-01-05 Thread Sid Shniad
Louise Erdrich. Great author. Wonderful insights. Love Medicine is the second title. Sid I liked "Bingo Palace". I can't remember the woman's name who wrote it, she also wrote Heart Medicine? (or Love Medicine?) or something like that and "Beets... something" I know it's very current,

Re: royalty

1998-01-05 Thread valis
Doug muses: So tickets went on sale for Diana's gravesite, at the equivalent of US$15. [$8 for minors] Proceeds will benefit her memorial charity. She married into one of the most pointlessly rich families in the world, and yet her frenzied mourners are going to fund her legacy. Get over

Re: Marx on Native Americans

1998-01-05 Thread anzalone/starbird
I liked "Bingo Palace". I can't remember the woman's name who wrote it, she also wrote Heart Medicine? (or Love Medicine?) or something like that and "Beets... something" I know it's very current, were you looking for olden days stories? I'll dig you up a better reference if you don't mind

How Indians Became Sick and Died

1998-01-05 Thread Louis Proyect
I picked up David E. Stannard's "American Holocaust: The Conquest of the New World" at lunch from the ever-rewarding Labyrinth Bookstore. He makes some interesting points about the circumstances in which epidemics caused the deaths of upwards of 90% of the Indian populations. It must be

Re: Marx on Native Americans

1998-01-05 Thread William S. Lear
On Mon, January 5, 1998 at 13:23:13 (-0500) Doug Henwood writes: Thanks to everyone who's supplied titles on Indians. Most have been about their decimation by the Europeans - I'm more interested in stuff about their social lives - work, kinship, property, etc. Any ideas? You might try: Alvin M.

Re: Marx on Native Americans

1998-01-05 Thread Robert Saute, CUNY Grad Center
Doug, You might want to look at: Klein, Laura Lilian Ackerman (eds.) Women and Power in Native North America (1995 Norman, OK) Bernstein, David J. Prehistoric Subsistence on the Southern New England Coast (1993 San Diego) Simmons, Wm. S. The Narragansett (1989 NY) Sharer, Robert

Scholarship opportunity

1998-01-05 Thread Wojtek Sokolowski
Enclosed is a posting re. scholarship opportunity for foreign scholars working on urban issues. If interested, please respond directly to Naomi Feigenbaum [EMAIL PROTECTED], the program coordinator (do not respond to me). Regards, wojtek sokolowski Return-path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon,

Re: Mythologising Native Americans

1998-01-05 Thread Michael Eisenscher
Pardon my intervention in this fascinating discussion, but weren't Marx and Engels referring to "rural idiocy" in the context of rural life in the transition from feudalism to capitalism in which the rural population was imprisoned by superstition, ignorance, and technical backwardness in

Re: Mythologising Native Americans

1998-01-05 Thread Louis Proyect
Michael Eisenscher: Pardon my intervention in this fascinating discussion, but weren't Marx and Engels referring to "rural idiocy" in the context of rural life in the transition from feudalism to capitalism in which the rural population was imprisoned by superstition, ignorance, and technical

Re: Marx on Native Americans -Reply

1998-01-05 Thread Tim Stroshane
There was a book in the late 70s or early 80s called KEEPERS OF THE GAME by an anthropologist (Calvin ???) whose last name I cannot remember. He makes a very interesting and HIGHLY controversial argument about how the tribes in the northeast and northwest (that is, what we now refer to as the

Re: M-I: Mythologising Native Americans

1998-01-05 Thread Doug Henwood
Louis Proyect wrote: This is the 150th anniversery of the Communist Manifesto. Mike Albert's attack on the Manifesto has been circulating on the Internet and is the subject of an intense debate on Marxism-International between Doug Henwood and Chris Warren, a dogmatist from Australia. The irony

royalty

1998-01-05 Thread Doug Henwood
So tickets went on sale for Diana's gravesite, at the equivalent of US$15. Proceeds will benefit her memorial charity. She married into one of the most pointlessly rich families in the world, and yet her frenzied mourners are going to fund her legacy. Doug

Re: Marx on Native Americans

1998-01-05 Thread Peter Bohmer
See the book edited by Annette James, "The State of Native America". It was published by South End press in 1992 or 1993. there ar many excellent articles dealing with land, fishing rights, water, governance, and resistance. On Mon, 5 Jan 1998, Doug Henwood wrote: Thanks to everyone who's

Re: M-I: Mythologising Native Americans

1998-01-05 Thread Louis Proyect
The unlikely question of whether the north American tribes or the Zemstvos represent missed opportunity is surely a laughably academic one - unless of course Proyect is suggesting that we go back to that stage, before going forward again to socialism: the most extreme version of the theory of

Re: Mythologising Native Americans

1998-01-05 Thread Doug Henwood
Michael Eisenscher wrote: Last question: For those who are tempted to romanticize the lives of Amazonian indians or the simplicity of rural life, how many currently have adopted anything approaching that kind of lifestyle? From Yahoo! 411: Jerry Anica ManderBolinas,CA 94924 Kirkpat

Village idiocy revisited

1998-01-05 Thread Wojtek Sokolowski
Yet another anecdote to consider when comparing cognitive ability of rural vs urban folks. Some time ago I saw a documentary about the !Kung Bushmen of the Kalahari desert - the only known surving hunting and gathering tribe on Earth. The fact that their culture survived almost intact until

Re: Mythologising native Americans

1998-01-05 Thread Louis Proyect
Heartfield: What I was saying was that the 100 000 Pennsylvania Dutch who squatted land in the eighteenth century after escaping indentured servitude could not be described as capitalists or landlords. There are many landless peasants who are invading the Yanomami Amazon rainforest homeland

Blair continues attack on welfare recipients

1998-01-05 Thread Sid Shniad
[The # sign below represents British pounds.] The GuardianMonday January 5, 1998 BENEFIT CUTS REAP £3.2BN EVEN BEFORE WELFARE REVIEW By David Hencke Westminster Correspondent Benefit cuts totalling £3.2 billion are to be imposed by

Mythologising native Americans

1998-01-05 Thread James Heartfield
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mark Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes The slave-plantation system was not only integrated into the world circuits of proto-capitalism and then early industrial capitalism, it was at the heart of so-called 'primitive accumulation'. There is a wealth of research by now

Re: Mythologising Native Americans

1998-01-05 Thread Wojtek Sokolowski
At 10:09 AM 1/5/98 -0800, Michael Eisenscher wrote, in response to Louis Proyect questioning the accuracy of the "rural idiocy" phrase: Second question: Is our objection as critics of capitalism (and dare I say, proponents of socialism) to urbanization per se or to capitalism and its

Re: cm150-l-digest V1 #3

1998-01-05 Thread valis
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 22:55:28 -0500 (EST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The Communist Manifesto After 150 Years Dear Renee Pendergrass, ?? Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:19:20 + From: Lew [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: The Manifesto I suppose it would be nice if a

Peoples' Global Action founding conference

1998-01-05 Thread valis
This was originally posted by Sid on December 1st, so maybe it's time for a re-run. (Since, as is mentioned at the conclusion, the Swiss visa procedure may be the world's most difficult, the question of the choice of Geneva may long outlive some of the

The Next Battle: MAI (Progressive Populist)

1998-01-05 Thread J Cullen
___ THE PROGRESSIVE POPULIST: A MONTHLY JOURNAL FROM THE HEARTLAND January 1998 -- Volume 4, Number 1 ___ EDITORIAL The Next Battle: MAI The good news is that the move to stop "Fast

Re: Marx on Native Americans

1998-01-05 Thread Bill Burgess
Doug Henwood wrote: Can anyone recommend anything good to read on Native Americans/Indians? I found Ronald Wright's _Stolen Continents_ a real education. His account of the Spanish conquest is incredible. If I remember correctly, Wright estimates that 9/10s of the Indian population died

Re: Marx on Native Americans

1998-01-05 Thread James Michael Craven
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Re: Marx on Native Americans

1998-01-05 Thread Doug Henwood
Thanks to everyone who's supplied titles on Indians. Most have been about their decimation by the Europeans - I'm more interested in stuff about their social lives - work, kinship, property, etc. Any ideas? Doug

Re: utopias

1998-01-05 Thread Dave Markland
As a precautionary note, I should say that when I envision a worthwhile society, I generally think in terms of free people forming voluntary associations (though that is perhaps a muddy phrase). Thus, I tend to think of: in what manner(s) will people feel like organizing in? Neither Mike

Synchronicity from/with India

1998-01-05 Thread valis
=== Surely the stars are smiling, or at least lurking along with me. valis Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 11:53:30 -0500 (GMT) From: "Dr. Gail Omvedt Faculty-Sociology" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear friends, We are

Re: M-I: Blaut on Indian death

1998-01-05 Thread James Michael Craven
At 07:26 PM 1/4/98 -0500, you wrote: Doug: This claim is NOT controversial in the literature. The best known popular account is Alfred Crosby's THE COLUMBIAN EXCHANGE. Also see McNeill's PLAGUES AND PEOPLE. The classic sources are monographs and papers by Woodrow Borah et al. This fact

Re: M-I: Blaut on Indian death

1998-01-05 Thread Louis Proyect
At 07:26 PM 1/4/98 -0500, you wrote: Doug: This claim is NOT controversial in the literature. The best known popular account is Alfred Crosby's THE COLUMBIAN EXCHANGE. Also see McNeill's PLAGUES AND PEOPLE. The classic sources are monographs and papers by Woodrow Borah et al. This fact -- of the