Re: GA Cohen

2000-06-24 Thread Louis Proyect
But Cohen is hard work. You can't just skim him. You have to work through it, page by page, argument by argument. G.A. Cohen's Marxism is a curious business. He tries to restore Marxism to its "orthodox" roots but his project ends up as a defense of a "stagist" conception rather than of

Re: Concerning Wynne Godley

2000-06-24 Thread christian a. gregory
Michael P wrote a while ago: "Wynne's work is based on basic accounting principles and so has the potential of being understood, and maybe even convincing. He shows what's behind the boom, and shows what would have to occur for it to continue, and that such a scenario is unlikely, but even

Re: Re: Re: Tax the Dead, They Won't Mind

2000-06-24 Thread christian a. gregory
I *finally* stop doing vulgar materialism and start doing cultural studies, and he wants facts... As a matter of fact, cultural studies so-called is very interested in facts. But, many times for the worst, it's not interested in their fact-ness. It is interested in the way that facts create

Stages fetters was Re: GA Cohen

2000-06-24 Thread Timework Web
I haven't read Cohen's work but I want to comment on Louis's quote from Marx. By itself, I agree that the passage is abstract, but it sums up an argument that Marx makes time and again and develops more fully elsewhere. That is, Marx *does* have a stage theory, but it can't be deduced from the

Re: Re: Re: Re: Definition of Political Economy(fwd)

2000-06-24 Thread md7148
Justin repeats my comments: I have and do. Alison, who is a friend of mine, btw, would be disappointed if you took the lesson from her book that Firestone doesn't count, and indeedd, has nothing to teach historical materialists, or isn't one in her way. I did *not* say that Firestone did

Re: re: GA Cohen

2000-06-24 Thread Carrol Cox
Rod Hay wrote: Since I, unlike Lou, am not able to consult Marx upon what he 'had in mind.', lacking as I do the power to make the dead speak, I will confine my comments to what Marx actually wrote. Since Marx wrote contradictory things in respect to this issue, confining yourself to what

Stages

2000-06-24 Thread Rod Hay
The status of stages theory in Marx's writing is ambiguous. Passages from different writings lead to different conclusions. But I think the general trend of his writings was against a theory of mechanistic or organic progression through a predetermined series of stages. And there does seem to be

Re: Stages fetters was Re: GA Cohen

2000-06-24 Thread Rod Hay
Making a distinction between transition from one stage to another and transitions within a mode of production, is to make a distinction that cannot be maintained, at least in the historical record. There is no sharp distinction between modes of production. Both the relations of production and the

Re: Re: Fwd: Re: Re: Re: GA Cohen

2000-06-24 Thread Doug Henwood
Carrol Cox wrote: In fact, it would be possible to write many volumes of marxist social analysis without ever using the concept of ideology. It is useful but not necessary for marxist thought. (One could, for example, invoke the concept of "common sense.") Invoke common sense against ideology,

Cuban hard times?

2000-06-24 Thread michael
http://www.msnbc.com/news/423438.asp?0nm=N34C#BODY MSNBC says that the Cuban economy is doing poorly, largely because commodity prices are so low. Does anyone know much about that? -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail

Re: Re: Re: Fwd: Re: Re: Re: GA Cohen

2000-06-24 Thread Carrol Cox
Doug Henwood wrote: Invoke common sense against ideology, or common sense as a kind of ideology? As a kind of ideology. The concept of ideology *could* be a powerful one, but it seems that among any three people there are seven different conceptions of it. But a reasonably large proportion

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Re: Re: Re: Concerning Wynne Godley

2000-06-24 Thread christian a. gregory
Imagine that the households hold large amounts of government debt as assets. Other things being equal, if the government runs surpluses, then those assets disappear. I get that. I don't get why the disappearance of those assets automatically means that the wealth once held in them becomes a

Re: Re: Fwd: Re: Re: Re: GA Cohen

2000-06-24 Thread JKSCHW
No doubt we read different works when we read Marx. However, I do not need "orthodox Marxism" to find interesting things to say about Marx; I have never engaged it in print except in a sideswipe. I have written, dor example, about Cohen and Elster, about Roemer, about Fisk, and about Marx

Re: Re: GA Cohen

2000-06-24 Thread JKSCHW
Louis writes: G.A. Cohen's Marxism is a curious business. He tries to restore Marxism to its "orthodox" roots but his project ends up as a defense of a "stagist" conception rather than of anything Marx had in mind. Once he establishes this rather bogus "orthodoxy", he speculates on the

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Definition of Political Economy(fwd)

2000-06-24 Thread JKSCHW
In a message dated 6/24/00 2:33:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bebel, like Kautsky, was a social democrat. Zetkin, like Luxemburg, was a socialist. Their approach to _Woman Question_ differed accordingly. Both Z and L criticized the party line othodoxy represented by

Re: Re: Re: Re: Concerning Wynne Godley

2000-06-24 Thread Michael Perelman
I must not have made myself clear. Imagine that a certain number of gov't bonds come due each year. Once the gov't goes into a surplus, bonds expire without being replaced by new bonds. So, household holding of gov't debt falls -- ceterus paribus. "christian a. gregory" wrote: Imagine that

Re: Re: Re: Re: Fwd: Re: Re: Re: GA Cohen

2000-06-24 Thread JKSCHW
In a message dated 6/24/00 7:44:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Justin is arguing that "Marx argues that, e,g., ideology promotes ruling class rule." I think that's an empty statement in that there is no way that persons with radically contradictory standpoints can

Re: Re: Re: Re: Concerning Wynne Godley

2000-06-24 Thread Michael Perelman
It becomes a liability, I guess, only in the sense that it is a subtraction from the previous credit. "christian a. gregory" wrote: Imagine that the households hold large amounts of government debt as assets. Other things being equal, if the government runs surpluses, then those assets