The ghost of what is [and isn't] eliminable.....

2001-05-14 Thread Keaney Michael
In an otherwise good analysis kindly forwarded by Ian Murray, Nick Cohen writes: As Britain dissolves, the need to define Englishness becomes urgent. Like many others, I get a little fed up with Scots who assert that while their nationalism is benign and civic-minded, English nationalism will be

Re: Approval and Condemnation: Must they be based on Morality?

2001-05-14 Thread Rob Schaap
It won't surprise Carrol to see that I have a couple of quibbles with Bertell's argument. But I don't want to gainsay, I just hope to have my thoughts on the matter - neither wholly contradictory to, nor wholly compatible with, Bertell's argument as I read it here - corrected and qualified by

Marxian theory of the state

2001-05-14 Thread Keaney Michael
Jim Devine wrote: One thing I do object to is that perpetual debate, which often seems as autistic (in the sense the post-autistic economics movement uses that term) as mathematical economics tends to be. I'm tired of the constant reference to the instrumentalists vs. the structuralists,

Re: The ghost of what is [and isn't] eliminable.....

2001-05-14 Thread Rob Schaap
Sez Michael K: It's difficult not to conclude that all nationalism tends to be brutish and prejudiced. In the context of neoliberal globalism, nationalism is an understandable, even predictable, response. But without some sort of Marxist or (at the very least) internationalist emancipatory

The Leisure of the Ruling Class

2001-05-14 Thread Keaney Michael
Lions face new threat: they're rich, American and they've got guns Schwarzkopf and Bush Snr mobilise opposition as Botswana moves to save its big cats Chris McGreal in Johannesburg Guardian Friday April 27, 2001 You might call the lions of southern Africa potential Bush meat. The former

Re: Re: The ghost of what is [and isn't] eliminable.....

2001-05-14 Thread Rob Schaap
I'd said: Sure, when you get shat on by another culture, you want to react, and that reaction won't matter unless lots of you react in some sorta concert, but that doesn't entail defining your nationhood, or having it defined by your leaders. It just means you react to particular

The ghost of what is [and isn't] eliminable.....

2001-05-14 Thread Keaney Michael
Rob Schaap wrote: And certainly didn't want to give the impression that these assaults are stuff I value. I put that sentence in at the end without reading the one after it. Hope that was obvious ... = Few here adhere to the postmodernist vice of placing text above context. In other

Book inquiry

2001-05-14 Thread Keaney Michael
Penners Is there anyone here familiar with The Algebra of Revolution : The Dialectic and the Classical Marxist Tradition by John Rees (Routledge, 1999)? If so, is it any good? Thanks in advance. Michael K. Michael Keaney Mercuria Business School Martinlaaksontie 36 01620 Vantaa Finland

Re: Book inquiry

2001-05-14 Thread Louis Proyect
I have a copy. I haven't read it yet, but it seemed useful enough to purchase. I generally shy away from pure theory books, but Rees had impressed me with his book on the October 1917 Russian revolution--an answer to social democratic and liberal arguments that Lenin led to Stalin. I suppose you

Book inquiry

2001-05-14 Thread Keaney Michael
Louis Proyect: I have a copy. I haven't read it yet, but it seemed useful enough to purchase. I generally shy away from pure theory books, but Rees had impressed me with his book on the October 1917 Russian revolution--an answer to social democratic and liberal arguments that Lenin led to

Re: Re: Approval and Condemnation: Must they bebased on Morality?

2001-05-14 Thread Doyle Saylor
Greetings Economists, Rob Schaap writes at length but says this toward the end, Rob, 'Morality' has here come a long way from *The German Ideology*, where it was but an epiphenomenon, and not to be treated as a material revolutionary force. It is no longer what 'is', but an 'ought-to-be' - an

Bush Ag Dept Nominee- Fan of ethnic non-diversity

2001-05-14 Thread Nathan Newman
A truly outrageous nomination by Bush, a racist nominee who wears his hood in public. -- Nathan Newman Thomas Dorr, Ag Dept nominee, is a big fan of 'ethnic, religious non-diversity' Posted on Sunday, May 13 @ 10:11:03 EDT

Re: Reply to Ken Hanly/Eliminative materialism...

2001-05-14 Thread Carrol Cox
Ian Murray wrote: Here's two great passages from two list participants that give a hint of the real work that needs to be done in the near and medium term: Corporations should be placed increasingly under a combination of worker, community, customer, supplier and public control. Of

Fitness to Rule, was Re: Reply to Ken Hanly...

2001-05-14 Thread Carrol Cox
Carrol Cox wrote: If there are no practical alternatives to the program(s) envisaged by Doug here and by Ian in this whole post, then barbarianism has already triumphed, and we should all go home and tend our gardens awaiting the apocalypse. There are two reasons for assuming that

FW: Palast: IMF's Four Steps to Damnation

2001-05-14 Thread Max Sawicky
++ global economy network Campaign for America's Future http://www.ourfuture.org ++ 1. Palast: IMF's Four Steps to Damnation 2. Interview with Palast from Cleveland Free Times IMF'S FOUR STEPS TO DAMNATION

Timpanaro

2001-05-14 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
I really enjoyed reading Timpanaro back in the mid-80s. He seemed a proper corrective to the vulgar sociologism then dominant in much of marxist theory which seemed stuck with the phrase social being, unable to comprehend the way biological- geographical factors set limits to the possible.

Re: FW: Palast: IMF's Four Steps to Damnation

2001-05-14 Thread Brad DeLong
And the US government knew it, charges Stiglitz, at least in the case of the biggest privatisation of all, the 1995 Russian sell-off. 'The US Treasury view was: This was great, as we wanted Yeltsin re-elected. We DON'T CARE if it's a corrupt election. ' Strange. Inside the U.S. Treasury that I

Fw: denial, class, europe and africa, nationalism

2001-05-14 Thread Michael Pugliese
- Original Message - From: Martin Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 2:27 AM Subject: denial, class, europe and africa, nationalism new work in first press ... Stanley Cohen, The elementary forms of denial www.theglobalsite.ac.uk/press/105cohen.pdf In the first

Re: Marxian theory of the state

2001-05-14 Thread Jim Devine
I wrote Thus, I do not reject neoclassical economics _in its entirety_. Rather, I try to troll the orthodoxy for valid points concerning empirical reality. It turns out that there are some parts that make sense in the empirical world (such as the theory of externalities or that of adverse

Lawson on realism and autistic economics

2001-05-14 Thread Jim Devine
here's an article by Tony Lawson from the Post-Autistic Economics newsletter. He's a much clearer advocate of critical realism than that guy that Justin hates is: Back to Reality Tony Lawson (Cambridge University) [Excerpts from this essay appeared in Le Monde, 27 March 2001] In recent months

Re: Timpanaro

2001-05-14 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
The passage below from Timpanaro, which I cited in the last post, would seem to run against the point I am trying to get at, but I agree with Timpanaro that even when we are studying *some* long term questions like the Reformation and the the French Revolution we would be foolhardy to

FW: Palast: IMF's Four Steps to Damnation

2001-05-14 Thread Keaney Michael
Brad DeLong wrote: Strange. Inside the U.S. Treasury that I was at, there was enormous anxiety about Chubias's loans-for-shares program--that not only was it a bad thing in advance, but that its implicit corruption would retrospectively taint the earlier voucher privatization program (which

Economic Reporting Review by Dean Baker, 5/14/01

2001-05-14 Thread Robert Naiman
Economic Reporting Review By Dean Baker You can sign up to receive ERR via email every week by sending a subscribe ERR request to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can find the latest ERR at http://www.tompaine.com/news/2000/10/02/index.html and archived prior to August at http://www.fair.org/err/. All

Re: Bush Ag Dept Nominee- Fan of ethnic non-diversity

2001-05-14 Thread Jim Devine
At 10:42 PM 05/13/2001 -0400, you wrote: A truly outrageous nomination by Bush, a racist nominee who wears his hood in public. -- Nathan Newman Thomas Dorr, Ag Dept nominee, is a big fan of 'ethnic, religious non-diversity' Posted on Sunday, May 13 @ 10:11:03 EDT

How Harvard and the Chubais clan robbed Russia

2001-05-14 Thread Louis Proyect
Strange. Inside the U.S. Treasury that I was at, there was enormous anxiety about Chubias's loans-for-shares program--that not only was it a bad thing in advance, but that its implicit corruption would retrospectively taint the earlier voucher privatization program (which it has done). The

Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Airlinederegulation

2001-05-14 Thread Brad DeLong
G'day Ken, Deregulation surely does not minimize transportation costs for smaller communities and to distant communities. For them deregulation is often a disaster. Before deregulation many smaller cities had to be served as the price airlines had to pay for lucrative routes. Now these

RE: How Harvard and the Chubais clan robbed Russia

2001-05-14 Thread Max Sawicky
Strange. Inside the U.S. Treasury that I was at, there was enormous anxiety about Chubias's loans-for-shares program . . . Los Angeles Times September 12, 1999, Sunday, Home Edition HOW THE CHUBAIS CLAN, HARVARD FED CORRUPTION . . . Chubais and his clique of political and financial power

religion at the US Justice Department

2001-05-14 Thread Jim Devine
from SLATE: The [Washington POST] off-leads [http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A23278-2001May13.html ] the controversy at the Justice Department over [U.S. Attorney General] Ashcroft's daily Bible study sessions. A Bush administration spokeswoman says Ashcroft is simply exercising

Re: Re: Bush Ag Dept Nominee- Fan of ethnic non-diversity

2001-05-14 Thread Carrol Cox
Jim Devine wrote: this fellow's statement isn't that different from those who say that one key reason that Sweden (once) was successful at developing social democracy was its ethnic homogeneity. Put another way, Swedish capitalists were not (at least formerly, see below) able to

Fernand Braudel's Daily Bread

2001-05-14 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
When we hear something about Braudel it is that a tripartite schema - material life, market economy, real capitalism - frames his three volume work, *The Structures of Everyday Life*, *The Wheels of Commerce*, and *The Pespective of the World*. While Marxists quibbled about his definition of

divide and rule

2001-05-14 Thread Jim Devine
{was: Re: [PEN-L:11506] Re: Re: Bush Ag Dept Nominee- Fan of ethnic non-diversity} Carrol wrote: Perhaps an Australian poster could comment on whether the recent openness of Australia to immigration has any connection to the exhaustion of former forms of racism (mostly pointed outwards, the

Re: Re: Bush Ag Dept Nominee- Fan of ethnic non-diversity

2001-05-14 Thread Nathan Newman
- Original Message - From: Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Washington, D.C. - President Bush's nominee for a top Agriculture Department post said in 1999 that three Iowa counties do well economically because they have been very nondiverse in their ethnic background and their religious

Re: Re: Re: Bush Ag Dept Nominee- Fan of ethnic non-diversity

2001-05-14 Thread Rob Schaap
G'day Carrol, Perhaps an Australian poster could comment on whether the recent openness of Australia to immigration has any connection to the exhaustion of former forms of racism (mostly pointed outwards, the aborigine population being too small to be a real threat) losing their utility in

Allow Us to Demonstrate: Student Protest Comes of Age

2001-05-14 Thread Stephen E Philion
NYT May 13, 2001 Allow Us to Demonstrate: Student Protest Comes of Age By JODI WILGOREN S INCE they finished finals at the end of April, Ben Royal and three fellow University of Michigan students have been driving around the Northeast in a green 1992 Toyota Corolla, trying to make a

Re: Japanese recovery bad for the U.S.?

2001-05-14 Thread Rob Schaap
Thanks for this, Jim. Kenichi Ohmae is the man on Japan, I reckon. Infact, I'd speculate that it was Japanese business who kicked the legs from under the NASDAQ in the first place. I'd been listening to Ohmae and various steadfastly anonymous Japanese pundits last March when I wrote to

Ollman McCloskey Spivak Klare

2001-05-14 Thread michael pugliese
(Sounds like a legal firm!) Just got back from browsing at books. Bertell Ollman blurbs a book by Ayn Rand scholar, Chris Scialabbra, on dialectics. Newest issue of Rethinking Marxism has Deirdre McCloskey, in a set of articles with G. Spivak. McCloskey contributes a piece on, Postmodern

Re: How Harvard and the Chubais clan robbed Russia

2001-05-14 Thread Rob Schaap
Quotes Lou: As information trickles out about capital flight and money laundering, it will be easy to point fingers at corrupt Russians, to replace the image of the evil empire with that of Russian gangsters. It will be crucial to scrutinize with equal fervor the officials and institutions

BLS Daily Report

2001-05-14 Thread Richardson_D
BLS DAILY REPORT, Monday, May 14, 2001: Held in check by small gains in energy, prices received by producers of finished goods climbed a modest 0.3 percent in April on a seasonally adjusted basis, according to figures released May 11 by the Labor Department's Bureau of Labor Statistics.

BLS Daily Report

2001-05-14 Thread Richardson_D
BLS DAILY REPORT, Friday, May 11, 2001 RELEASED TODAY: The Producer Price Index for Finished Goods rose 0.3 percent in April, seasonally adjusted, the Bureau of Labor Statistics of the U.S. Department of Labor reported today. This increase followed a 0.1-percent decline in March and a

Re: Re: Re: Approval and Condemnation: Must they bebased on Morality?

2001-05-14 Thread Ken Hanly
Comments after sections: Secondly, given what we know about the human brains now what exactly is morality in human brains? That appears to me to be not a real thing in terms of who we are. Comment I give up. I have no idea what anyone would mean by asking what exactly is morality in human

Economic Liberalization a Failure in Poor Countries

2001-05-14 Thread Nathan Newman
As the empirical studies come in, the global Thatcherite experiment in free market liberalization is proving to be a complete and wretched failure for the countries on which it was imposed (although not of course for the multinational corporations that benefitted from the policies.) But the

Re: divide and rule

2001-05-14 Thread Carrol Cox
Jim Devine wrote: this seems a bit too instrumentalist for me (i.e., too much of a conscious plan). I would agree, though perhaps rather than instrumentalist it is e-mailist, as in excessively condensed for quick writing and posting. Individual capitalists and politicians do quite

pen-l malaise

2001-05-14 Thread Michael Perelman
Several people have communicated with me in the last day or so, wanting to get off the list were complaining about the tone of the list. Personal attacks seem to be becoming a bit more common. Arrogant forms of communication in which people talk down to other people is creating dissatisfaction.

Re: pen-l malaise

2001-05-14 Thread Louis Proyect
At 04:26 PM 5/14/01 -0700, you wrote: Several people have communicated with me in the last day or so, wanting to get off the list were complaining about the tone of the list. Personal attacks seem to be becoming a bit more common. Arrogant forms of communication in which people talk down to

Re: Re: pen-l malaise

2001-05-14 Thread Michael Perelman
I don't think that we need to bicker about the IMF. It is a tool of the oppressors and does terrible harm. Where we do have honest disagreements, we should express them respectfully. On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 07:40:07PM -0400, Louis Proyect wrote: Maybe there should be 2 PEN-L's, one for those

Peter Danielson and Artificial Morality

2001-05-14 Thread Ken Hanly
Have any Pen-L people read Peter Danielson's ARTIFICIAL MORALITY ,(Routledge 1992) If so what do you think of it? An application of his views that affirms the rationality of moral constraints upon corporate behaviour is given at the following website. Danielson is not very difficult to follow

Re: Re: Re: pen-l malaise

2001-05-14 Thread Brad DeLong
I don't think that we need to bicker about the IMF. It is a tool of the oppressors and does terrible harm. Now, now. If there were no IMF--if there were no one willing and able to loan Argentina $40 billion to try to get it through its current episode of capital flight and foreign investor

More on Danielson

2001-05-14 Thread Ken Hanly
Danielson is involved in a project entitled Evolution of Artificial Moral Ecologies as part of his work in the Centre For Applied Ethics at the Univ. of. B.C. There is a great deal of useful material at the website: http://eame.ethics.ubc.ca/ Cheers, Ken Hanly

The politics of surplus coffee

2001-05-14 Thread Ian Murray
Burning issue for coffee growers Big players are the winners during surplus or scarcity Special report: globalisation Charlotte Denny and Alex Bellos in Rio de Janeiro Tuesday May 15, 2001 The Guardian Torching nearly a million tonnes of surplus coffee beans is a radical way of solving the

Pancevo

2001-05-14 Thread Ian Murray
'No one will be able to prove what killed us' Chemicals released after Nato bombing infect Serbian city Special report: Kosovo Special report: Serbia Paul Brown, environment correspondent Tuesday May 15, 2001 The Guardian When the Nato bombs started to fall on Pancevo's petro-chemical factory,

Re: Approval and Condemnation: Must they be based on Morality?

2001-05-14 Thread Carrol Cox
Gordon Fitch wrote: Carrol Cox: ... This assumption that any word of approbation or approval is necessarily a moral proposition referring to a moral order is merely itself a manifestation of the power of moralism. But while Gordon (on lbo-talk) was probably being facetious in his

Re: Re: Development Question for Brad

2001-05-14 Thread Michael Pollak
On Fri, 11 May 2001, Brad DeLong wrote: I, at least, would agree that if you have a bureaucracy that can successfully run a developmental state--that is, provide subsidies to companies that successfully export rather than companies run by the husband of the niece of the vice-minister,

Letter to Harvard Magazine re Lawrence Summers

2001-05-14 Thread Ken Hanly
May 5, 2001 The Editor Harvard Magazine Cambridge, MA 02138 By e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sir: In your lead article (May-June) on the new President, Lawrence H. Summers, you describe his work achievements in great detail. But why did you omit his involvement with the Harvard Institute for

Book on the Eonic Effect: A Note German Ideology

2001-05-14 Thread Nemonemini
Just had three smear reviews of World History and the Eonic Effect removed from Amazon.com book siteThey hadn't even bothered to read the book. The Darwin enforcers are busy, and you might be interested to see how they play this game. Plus a firestorm attack counterattack on the Kant-l

Re: Re: reigniting the inequality debate

2001-05-14 Thread Michael Pollak
On Fri, 11 May 2001, Brad DeLong wrote: The answer to what is happening to world income distribution turns out to depend heavily on whether countries are weighted by population, and whether income in different countries is measured in PPP terms or by using actual exchange rates. Why would

Re: Ollman McCloskey Spivak Klare

2001-05-14 Thread Justin Schwartz
Chris is a very smart lib who was Bertell's student. He wrote a very good book on Marx and Hayek and dialectics, and used to participate on the spoons Marxism list. I do not understand his passion for Rand, who, unlike Hayek, was a lunkhead. I miss him--Chris, that is. --jks From: michael

Re: Re: Ollman McCloskey Spivak Klare

2001-05-14 Thread Michael Pugliese
Scott McLemee [EMAIL PROTECTED] likes his stuff too. But, Ayn Rand, yikes! Ever read her HUAC testimony? Smiling Russians (Ayn Rand s HUAC Testimony [The ... That is Ayn? Miss Rand ... in evidence? Miss Rand: Oh, yes ... poor, sweet Russians were unprepared ... with everybody smiling.