Re: Re: Marx vs. Roemer

2002-03-07 Thread miychi
I think that Roemer's limit is about money. He don't refer to abolish money. In " Critique of the Gotha programme" Marx point out that in socialist society exchange through money not exist. MIYACHI TATSUO 9-10.OHTAI,MORIYAMA-KU NAGOYA CITY 463-0044 JAPAN [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comrade There are

Re: Re: Systems of innovation

2002-03-07 Thread Bill Rosenberg
Charles Jannuzi wrote: However I certainly believe that it does happen - judging by the rapidity with which successful technology firms in New Zealand have been bought out by transnationals as soon as the success became apparent. What's the basis of their success other than high tech

New Zealand: Asians set to outnumber indigenous Maori in 12 yrs

2002-03-07 Thread Ulhas Joglekar
The Times of India SATURDAY, MARCH 02, 2002 Asians set to outnumber indigenous Maori in 12 yrs AFP WELLINGTON: Asians could outnumber indigenous Maori New Zealanders in little more than a decade, population statistics showed on Saturday. Asians now outnumber Pacific Islanders in New Zealand

Re: The Enron-Cheney-Taliban Connection? AlterNet

2002-03-07 Thread Eugene Coyle
Michael Perelman wrote: In case some of you have not seen this yet. I would be interested in Gene Coyle's take on this. Sorry to be so slow. I've been traveling and just catching up. I didn't find this story credible. It conflates the Enron headline-grabber with the already familiar oil

Japan and Indonesia

2002-03-07 Thread Eugene Coyle
I wonder how nervous Japan is about its supply of LNG (liquified natural gas) coming out of Indonesia these days? Seems as if Japan needs to keep Bush happy about its contribution to the war on terrorism, and yet is quite dependent on a Muslim country. Maybe Charles Jannuzi can enlighten? Gene

Re: Re: workers' saving Marxian polit icaleco nomy

2002-03-07 Thread Justin Schwartz
Devine, James wrote: I think that rich people are taught how to behave: for example, they go to Phillips Exeter or some other prep school to learn never to dip into capital and to live off income instead. My acquaintances and friends at Tigertown in the mid 1970s who had gone to

RE: RE: RE: Re: workers' saving Marxian political economy

2002-03-07 Thread Forstater, Mathew
I like the classical/Marxian class-based approach supplemented with the Veblen-Duesenberry relative income hypothesis far more than the life cycle/permament income approach.

RE: workers' saving Marxian political economy

2002-03-07 Thread Devine, James
Mat writes: I like the classical/Marxian class-based approach supplemented with the Veblen-Duesenberry relative income hypothesis far more than the life cycle/permament income approach. I think that all of these approaches have something to add. For example, the permanent income hypothesis'

Hitchens on the Axis of Evil

2002-03-07 Thread Ken Hanly
From the Mirror (UK) WHERE IS THIS EVIL AXIS BUSH SPEAKS OF? CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS On the peril of America's muddled, ignorant hawks TWO four-letter words - axis and evil - have rightly become the symbolic phrase for everything that has become risky and dubious and opportunistic about the

RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: workers' saving Marxian political economy

2002-03-07 Thread Forstater, Mathew
By the way, I had the chance to meet Duesenberry a couple years ago at the New School and I introduced him to some people and mentioned that he was the innovator of the relative income hypothesis. He said that Edward Chamberlain wrote on monopolistic competition and never did anything else after

Re: RE: workers' saving Marxian political economy

2002-03-07 Thread Justin Schwartz
I wrote: I think that rich people are taught how to behave: for example, they go to Phillips Exeter or some other prep school to learn never to dip into capital and to live off income instead. Justin writes:My acquaintances and friends at Tigertown [Princeton] in the mid 1970s who had gone to

Duesenberry

2002-03-07 Thread Devine, James
Mat writes:By the way, I had the chance to meet Duesenberry a couple years ago at the New School and I introduced him to some people and mentioned that he was the innovator of the relative income hypothesis. He said that Edward Chamberlain wrote on monopolistic competition and never did anything

Re: What Does Ravi Think?

2002-03-07 Thread ravi
Michael Perelman wrote: This is up Ravi's alley. On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 01:54:47PM +0900, Charles Jannuzi wrote: The internet might have been the darpa-net, but few people know what darpa really is. It, along with In-Q-Tel, is a way the US gov't funds 'innovation'. Where innovators

Re: RE: Re: Systems of innovation

2002-03-07 Thread Peter Dorman
Interesting question. I just got back from a conference in which I hung out with mid-upper level policy-makers. I get the sense that there is an acceptable zone for economic policy from the vantage point of the permanent government, and that, for the most part, lobbying, bribery, etc. move

Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Yen still overvalued

2002-03-07 Thread Peter Dorman
In this context I'm referring to the specific problem of changing over the installed capital stock. There is another restructuring problem in the CEE, which is more social (i.e. social relations of production) and has to do with disseminating a management system capable of competing with W.

RE: Hitchens on the Axis of Evil

2002-03-07 Thread Davies, Daniel
very interesting article; two points, both regarding my personal obsession with Iraq: I have sat on an unexploded Iraqi chemical bomb in the Kurdish town of Halabja, which was ethnically cleansed by fire and poison, This was no doubt very brave of Hitchens, but the Kurds in Halabja were killed

Yen still overvalued\Japanese Keynsianism

2002-03-07 Thread Paul_A
Isn't this a bit out of date? The Japanese had been bashed for not running large fiscal deficits but for the last few years DID turn to fiscal Keynsianism, and on a large scale (sorry, I don't have the numbers handy). What is significant - and scary - is how little it has worked. Perhaps this

RE: Yen still overvalued\Japanese Keynsianism

2002-03-07 Thread Devine, James
Isn't this a bit out of date? The Japanese had been bashed for not running large fiscal deficits but for the last few years DID turn to fiscal Keynsianism, and on a large scale (sorry, I don't have the numbers handy). If it's out of date, I'd like to know. I'm not a student of Japan as much as

Halevi Lucarelli on Japan

2002-03-07 Thread Devine, James
I referred to a MONTHLY REVIEW article by Joseph Halevi and Bill Lucarelli on Japan. It can be found at: http://www.monthlyreview.org/0202halevi.htm Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine

FW: Bell-curve racism for nations

2002-03-07 Thread Sabri Oncu
Well, Apparently, you progressive economists got it all wrong. It is the IQ stupid. Sabri -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 6:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Bell-curve racism for

Re: PK on CA EE

2002-03-07 Thread Eugene Coyle
"Devine, James" wrote: Pen-l experts on energy issues -- Gene Coyle? -- is Krugman's description of California's energy emergency mostly correct? all correct? all wrong? mostly wrong? none of the above? Jim, The Krugman piece is, I reluctantly would say, mostly on target. I'll

Re: Duesenberry

2002-03-07 Thread Eugene Coyle
It is curious how little notice Duesnberry's book is given. For mine, it destroys the whole neo-classical analysis once and for all. (One of many such destructions that have had no discernible result.) I wonder if Duesenberry would rather distance himself from its implications than fall, be

Marx vs. Roemer

2002-03-07 Thread Charles Brown
On other points, R does imprive on Marx. jks ^^ CB: Like what other points ? The presumption is against you, and the burden of proof on you.

Re: Marx vs. Roemer

2002-03-07 Thread Justin Schwartz
On other points, R does imprive on Marx. jks ^^ CB: Like what other points ? The presumption is against you, and the burden of proof on you. Says who? But in short, the main two things where I think R improves on Marx is to to insist (a) that a coherent and defensible notion

no more free stuff?

2002-03-07 Thread Ian Murray
[Washington Post] Charges Of the Site Brigade By Leslie Walker Thursday, March 7, 2002; Page E01 Hold on to your wallet: This may go down in Internet history as the year millions of people started paying for online content. My digital radar shows a blip of activity in electronic subscriptions,

Re: no more free stuff?

2002-03-07 Thread Carl Remick
From: Ian Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... As part of a redesign of its Web site, FinancialTimes.com plans to ask users to pay as much as $140 annually for access to its best content, including detailed analyses and reports on particular industries and countries. Well, good luck to them. IMO, the

Japan

2002-03-07 Thread Ian Murray
http://www.feer.com Buying Time Japan's latest emergency package doesn't tackle deflation, but it may avert a financial crisis By David Kruger/TOKYO Issue cover-dated March 14, 2002 THE JAPANESE GOVERNMENT'S latest package of emergency measures to prop up the ailing economy will not meet its

on equality

2002-03-07 Thread Anthony D'Costa
here's a news item that might be of interest, given that textile exports is very important for B'desh: -- BANK REPORT SEES DECLINING POVERTY IN BANGLADESH. Poverty level in Bangladesh, one of the world's most populous Muslim nations, fell over the last

Re: Re: Question Romain K.

2002-03-07 Thread Romain Kroes
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 6:53 PM Subject: [PEN-L:23535] Re: Re: Question Romain K. Question: Why is historical materialism in quotes? And is this different from what Engels call the materialist conception of

re: Yen still overvalued\Japanese Keynsianism

2002-03-07 Thread Paul_A
I wrote: Isn't this a bit out of date? The Japanese had been bashed for not running large fiscal deficits but for the last few years DID turn to fiscal Keynsianism, and on a large scale (sorry, I don't have the numbers handy). Jim Devine writes: If it's out of date, I'd like to know. I'm not a

RE: re: Yen still overvalued\Japanese Keynsianism

2002-03-07 Thread Forstater, Mathew
I am also no student of Japan! (who is, anyone here...there were some East Asia watchers down under, no...Rob?) Anyway, one thing I can say is that the idea of downgrading Japanese sovereign debt (as Moody's has already done and is considering doing again) is another case study in

Re: Re: Re: Question Romain K.

2002-03-07 Thread Carrol Cox
Romain Kroes wrote: Because historical materialism has become a label. I don't get it. Literary Criticism has become a label. Frying Bacon has become a label. We still don't usually put them in scare quotes. And if your point is that it names lots of contradictory things -- is ambiguous:

Re: no more free stuff?

2002-03-07 Thread Sabri Oncu
From: Ian Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... As part of a redesign of its Web site, FinancialTimes.com plans to ask users to pay as much as $140 annually for access to its best content, including detailed analyses and reports on particular industries and countries. Well, good luck to them. IMO, the

Veneziani, Roemer, Marx

2002-03-07 Thread Devine, James
I asked Gil what Veneziani's specific results were, but he didn't seem to have time to respond. Luckily, I found my copy of Roberto Veneziani's Exploitation and Time, (London School of Economics: Centre for Philosophy of Natural and Social Science, discussion paper 47/00). [BTW, he doesn't just

RE: re: Yen still overvalued\Japanese Keynsianism

2002-03-07 Thread Devine, James
I wrote: I'd heard that the fiscal deficits were stop-and-go in nature, perhaps being cyclical rather than structural in nature (i.e., being due to stagnation rather than as an effort to fight stagnation). Paul A writes: Some rough numbers illustrate: Budget deficit 1994: 2.2% of

Re: The Enron-Cheney-Taliban Connection? AlterNet

2002-03-07 Thread Charles Jannuzi
This wouldn't rule out an Enron role in the Oil pipeline, but there were already enough giant companies fighting each other that letting a new boy in doesn't make much sense. Enron was such a mix of things that I think traditional journalism, however earnest, is missing the forest for

Re: What Does Ravi Think?

2002-03-07 Thread Charles Jannuzi
Ravi i am not sure where charles is going with this post: most VCs do flock to projects that have been proven elsewhere using somebody else's money It wasn't my post actually, it was the moderator's. You are referring to one bit taken from the 'innovations' thread which I butted in on. I

Re: Re: no more free stuff?

2002-03-07 Thread Carl Remick
IMO, the FT is the world's most overrated newspaper. Carl This is bad news. I don't think it is an overrated newspaper. It is an important source of information among many other important sources of information such as The Economist, Wall Street Journal, Business Week and the like. At

'Nike, Adidas factories still overworked, underpaid'

2002-03-07 Thread Ulhas Joglekar
The Times of India THURSDAY, MARCH 07, 2002 'Nike, Adidas factories still overworked, underpaid' REUTERS JAKARTA: Sportswear giants Nike and Adidas-Salomon have taken steps to shed their sweatshop image in Indonesia but employees are still overworked and underpaid, a leading aid agency said.

Re: no more free stuff?

2002-03-07 Thread Charles Jannuzi
I think the Wall Street Journal leaves the FT in the dust, and I suspect I'm not alone. Yeah, but you need rubber gloves to get through the editorials. FT's overall content is pretty thin. A lot of the company and markets info. is out there on the internet so you don't need those pink papers

The Steel decision

2002-03-07 Thread Ian Murray
http://www.atimes.com Bush shrugs off trade war over steel tariffs decision WASHINGTON and RIO DE JANEIRO - US President George W Bush's decision to impose tariffs as high as 30 percent on imported steel has infuriated key US trade partners. South Korea and the European Union (EU), two of the

Re: Against existing socialist contry

2002-03-07 Thread Waistline2
MIYACHI TATSUO, is this an accurate translation of pen-l: 23629? Reply to follow in separate comment. I think that Roemer's limit is about money. He doesn't refer to abolish money. In Critique of the Gotha programme Marx point out that in socialist society exchange through (using?) money

Yen still overvalued\Japanese Keynsianism

2002-03-07 Thread Paul_A
Jim writes: To see a structural deficit, there would have to be (1) legislated tax cuts; (2) legislated transfer-payment increases; and/or (3) increases in government purchases. Have these happened in a big way? Yes. In a very big way (especially #3). And that is why it seems to be such an

Re: on equality

2002-03-07 Thread Michael Perelman
Anthony, do you know about Bangladesh as well as India. Can you give any context to the article? On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 12:32:04PM -0800, Anthony D'Costa wrote: here's a news item that might be of interest, given that textile exports is very important for B'desh:

another job

2002-03-07 Thread michael perelman
To URPE Members and Friends: Sent by: Deb Figart [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Friends, I will be on sabbatical for 2002-2003 and Stockton is hiring a 1-year replacement. The courses to be taught are flexible/negotiable, but would likely include some principles. Teaching load is 3-3. If you would

Re: FW: Bell-curve racism for nations

2002-03-07 Thread michael perelman
Sabri, please be more respectful of Dr. Rushton. He will probably win the Nobel Prize or even imortatlity, I believe, for having discovered the inverse relation between IQ and penis size. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321

Re: Re: on equality

2002-03-07 Thread Anthony D'Costa
Unfortunately I am not professionally well versed about Bangladesh, except that my parents and numerous relatives are from erstwhile East Bengal, then East Pakistan, and now Bangladesh. I visted Eats Pakistan when I was four and Bangaldesh soon after its independence in 1973. I am skeptical of

Re: The Steel decision

2002-03-07 Thread Charles Jannuzi
The US decision to go down the route of protectionism is a major setback for the world trading system, said EU Trade Commissioner Pascal Lamy, who added that the European bloc would avoid unilateral actions and remain within the WTO. But the US has its free trade and highly complementary

Re: Yen still overvalued\Japanese Keynsianism

2002-03-07 Thread Charles Jannuzi
In response to the overall exchange but this in particular: Paul A writes: Some rough numbers illustrate: Budget deficit 1994: 2.2% of GDP Budget deficit 2000: 8.0% of GDP {IMF Country Report Japan} Don't you think it is fair to say that for most mainstream Keynesians this

Re: Against existing socialist contry

2002-03-07 Thread Waistline2
MIYACHI TATSUO, your quote is too long to reproduce. The only booklet I keep at reaching distance from the period of the Sino-Soviet debate is On Khrushchev's Phony Communism and its historical lessons for the World, Comment on the open letter of the Central Committee of the CPSU,

Re: Yen still overvalued\Japanese Keynsianism

2002-03-07 Thread Charles Jannuzi
I am also no student of Japan! (who is, anyone here...there were some East Asia watchers down under, no...Rob?) I'll be your sensei, since I've lived here for 12 years and have made a weekly ritual of reading the Nikkei Weekly and the Nihon Keizai Shimbun (and BusinessWeek when I need to see

Re: Re: Re: Re: Question Romain K.

2002-03-07 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated Thu, 7 Mar 2002 6:45:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, Carrol Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Romain Kroes wrote: Because historical materialism has become a label. I don't get it. Literary Criticism has become a label. Frying Bacon has become a label. We still don't

Re: FW: Bell-curve racism for nations

2002-03-07 Thread Sabri Oncu
Michael writes: Sabri, please be more respectful of Dr. Rushton. He will probably win the Nobel Prize or even imortatlity, I believe, for having discovered the inverse relation between IQ and penis size. Hey, I always wondered why my IQ is so low. Now I know!.. Sabri

Re: Japan

2002-03-07 Thread Charles Jannuzi
THE JAPANESE GOVERNMENT'S latest package of emergency measures to prop up the ailing economy will not meet its goal of reining in the crippling deflation afflicting the nation's battered companies and debt-paralyzed banks. I think their imagery is a bit messed up. I don't think you rein in

Re: Yen still overvalued\Japanese Keynsianism

2002-03-07 Thread Charles Jannuzi
(BTW, I understand that much of Japan's trade surplus is due to its economic stagnation, at least according to the recent article in MONTHLY REVIEW by Halevi and another author.) I haven't read the article, so this comment doesn't necessarily pertain to the particular theory they have.

Re: Re: The Enron-Cheney-Taliban Connection? AlterNet

2002-03-07 Thread Eugene Coyle
I continue to have strong disbelief of the Enron and Afghanistan pipeline story. The profits from such a pipeline would come from producing and selling oil, not the investment in the pipeline per se. And I haven't heard anything about Enron having a piece of the oil concessions. Enron,

Re: Re: no more free stuff?

2002-03-07 Thread Sabri Oncu
I think the Wall Street Journal leaves the FT in the dust, and I suspect I'm not alone. The WSJ is about the only major publication that has charged for online access to its content right along and apparently has had no problem getting people to pay up. Carl Well Carl, You should know

Re: Japan and Indonesia

2002-03-07 Thread Charles Jannuzi
I wonder how nervous Japan is about its supply of LNG (liquified natural gas) coming out of Indonesia these days? Energy supplies and energy prices are always a major concern in Japan. And Indonesia has often been a trouble spot when Japan tries to assert any leadership role at all in Asia.

Re: The Enron-Cheney-Taliban Connection? AlterNet

2002-03-07 Thread Charles Jannuzi
. And I haven't heard anything about Enron having a piece of the oil concessions. Enron, furthermore, has had for the last two or three years a strategy of not owning hard assets. They had been burned on almost all their investments -- water, electric power, etc. Enron was more like the

Re: The Enron-Cheney-Taliban Connection? AlterNet

2002-03-07 Thread Charles Jannuzi
If the facts of their timeline check out, then Enron was, true to its rootin tootin Texas roots, even into exploration in Asia (though as has been noted, they were dumping fixed assets to raise cash). Another interesting thread is how Unocal has been interested in buying up Enron assets. And just

Re: Japan and Indonesia

2002-03-07 Thread Charles Jannuzi
Maybe Charles Jannuzi can enlighten? Well, I probably didn't do that in the last post, but I did neglect one key bit of information. Japan redesignated naval assets as 'coast guard' and now coast guard ships run missions as far south as the Philippines and Indonesia. Charles Jannuzi

Re: Re: Japan and Indonesia

2002-03-07 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: Charles Jannuzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 11:07 PM Subject: [PEN-L:23690] Re: Japan and Indonesia Maybe Charles Jannuzi can enlighten? Well, I probably didn't do that in the last post, but I did neglect one

China/Kakistocracy update

2002-03-07 Thread Ian Murray
The International Herald Tribune | www.iht.com One corrupt city shows the plague that afflicts all of China John Pomfret The Washington Post Friday, March 8, 2002 No. 1 problem SHENYANG, China When investigators searched two country houses belonging to Shenyang's mayor, they found $6 million

Krugman on Steel

2002-03-07 Thread Ian Murray
[no mention of the 'Mexico' bailout as a form of protectionism...] [NYTimes] March 8, 2002 Testing His Metal By PAUL KRUGMAN Just a few days ago, some supporters of George W. Bush hoped that he would show his mettle by standing up to steel industry demands for tariff protection. Instead he