Re: Regulation, state, economy

2003-08-28 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
Hi Ian, But didn't they offload these costs [create a beneficial set of externalities-for them] precisely because using their own security became a drain on their cash? Armies/Navies as the vanguard of socialism due to economies of scale? This was Frederic Lane's thesis in Profits from

Re: Dubya and farcical Keynesianism

2003-08-28 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
Thanks for the comment, Shane... You seem to have forgotten that the Keynesian and [neo]classical views are totally incompatible I think you are correct, in the 1930s depression Keynes was faced precisely with the problem of mobilising capital for employment-generating investment, but, I would

Re: Getting there (was: Critical support to King George?)

2003-08-28 Thread Ben Pincas
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Jurriaan Bendien wrote: What would Lenin say if he was alive today ? He would say, the real problem is different, it is, how can you mobilise a very large mass of people for the purpose of instating a governmental power that can begin the transition to socialism ? If you

Re: Dubya and farcical Keynesianism

2003-08-28 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
Jim, At this point, I don't think military Keynesianism is a big thing. It's hardly enough to cancel out all the cut-backs by the states. But Iraq War II may become a full-scale quagmire... I saw figures suggesting military expenditure in the vicinity of 500 billion (?) but that would be over a

Re: Regulation, state, economy

2003-08-28 Thread andie nachgeborenen
Doug argues capitalism is inconceivable without state regulation, I am saying it is conceivable, it is happening, and it happened already in history. If you think that the Dutch East India Company was simply a mercantile outfit you are wrong, because they established factories and

pensions, redux

2003-08-28 Thread Eubulides
Pension age to rise in Italy and Germany Sophie Arie in Rome and Ben Aris in Berlin Wednesday August 27, 2003 The Guardian The Italian and German governments risked a public outcry yesterday by proposing that people should work, and make pension contributions, for up to five years longer to help

Re: Regulation, state, economy

2003-08-28 Thread Doug Henwood
Jurriaan Bendien wrote: Doug argues capitalism is inconceivable without state regulation, I am saying it is conceivable, it is happening, and it happened already in history. If you think that the Dutch East India Company was simply a mercantile outfit you are wrong, because they established

Re: Regulation, state, economy

2003-08-28 Thread Eubulides
- Original Message - From: andie nachgeborenen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Regulation, state, economy Doug argues capitalism is inconceivable without state regulation, I am saying it is conceivable, it is

shipping

2003-08-28 Thread Eubulides
[ins't piracy enjoying a Renaissance too? :-)] Freight shipping rides the crest of a wave Improved rates and higher volumes have swelled container profits Terry Macalister Thursday August 28, 2003 The Guardian A slowdown in large world economies such as the US, Japan and Germany normally means

RES: [PEN-L] Getting there (was: Critical support to King George?)

2003-08-28 Thread Renato Pompeu
-Mensagem original- De: PEN-L list [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] nome de Ben Pincas Enviada em: quinta-feira, 28 de agosto de 2003 05:51 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Assunto: Re: [PEN-L] Getting there (was: Critical support to King George?) On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Jurriaan Bendien wrote: What

Independent: We begin mortaring in 45 minutes

2003-08-28 Thread Michael Pollak
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=437505 The Independent (UK) 27 August 2003 Spy chief undermines key plank of case for war By Kim Sengupta and Paul Waugh One of the crucial claims in the Government's case for the Iraq war ­ that Saddam Hussein could threaten the West

Re: Regulation, state, economy

2003-08-28 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
Justin wrote: You confuse primitive accumulation -- the naked taking by force of labor and raw materials -- with its product in the world system, capital. You must think I am thick or something ! I am not confusing this at all, it is 95 percent of Marxists who confuse it, by identifying

Re: Repub's and race- National Colonial Question made simple

2003-08-28 Thread Waistline2
American from its genesis was a Southern country. Slavery and the slave economy of this Southern country - fundamental to our development, distorted everything America proclaimed it stood for. The Northern states, manufacturing the necessities for the slave system, grew as an appendage to the

Halliburton

2003-08-28 Thread Eubulides
Halliburton's Deals Greater Than Thought By Michael Dobbs Washington Post Staff Writer Thursday, August 28, 2003; Page A01 Halliburton, the company formerly headed by Vice President Cheney, has won contracts worth more than $1.7 billion under Operation Iraqi Freedom and stands to make hundreds

Re: Auto and the South

2003-08-28 Thread Waistline2
Published August  28, 2003 http://www.freep.com/money/autonews/org28_20030828.htm MIGRATION FROM THE MOTOR CITY: UAW a hard sell in Southern comfort BY JENNIFER DIXON FREE PRESS BUSINESS WRITER NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- For eight years, Pat Saltkill has struggled to do what has never been done

Re: Regulation, state, economy

2003-08-28 Thread Devine, James
Jurriaan Bendien wrote: Doug argues capitalism is inconceivable without state regulation, I am saying it is conceivable, it is happening, and it happened already in history. If you think that the Dutch East India Company was simply a mercantile outfit you are wrong, because they

good looks count...

2003-08-28 Thread Devine, James
[Finally, I know why my course evaluations are so low! of course, good looks are only skin deep...] ECONOMIC SCENE The Hunk Differential By HAL R. VARIAN BEING beautiful pays off. Economists have found that men with above-average looks are paid about 5 percent more than those with average

US auto industry doomed?

2003-08-28 Thread Devine, James
The Road to Nowhere Is the U.S. auto industry doomed? By Daniel Gross Updated Tuesday, August 26, 2003, at 2:53 PM PT [from Microsoft SLATE] The U.S. auto industry is driving straight off a cliff. Or so we're being told. The problem is an industrywide strategic failure, argues New York Times

Re: Regulation, state, economy

2003-08-28 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 8/28/03 4:35:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Justin wrote: You confuse primitive accumulation -- the naked taking by force of labor and raw materials -- with its product in the world system, capital. You must think I am thick or something ! I am not

Re: good looks count...

2003-08-28 Thread Eubulides
- Original Message - From: Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Finally, I know why my course evaluations are so low! of course, good looks are only skin deep...] == :-) http://www.botox.com/site/ :-) Ian

Re: good looks count...

2003-08-28 Thread Devine, James
Botox isn't enough. A full-scale slash and burn approach seems needed. Luckily, Beverly Hills is just down the road from here, what with all its plastic surgeons. I wonder if my HMO will pay... I don't know about other cities, but the front section of the alternative entertainement weekly

Protest UN/IMF/WB/Donors Conferences in Europe

2003-08-28 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Take a look at how the United Nations is helping the IMF/WB/Donors/Multinationals, as well as the US government, privatize Iraq. US activists should be working with Belgian, Spanish, and other European activists to protest the UN/IMF/WB preparatory conference in Brussels on September 3 and the

Re: Regulation, state, economy

2003-08-28 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
Okay then, I will post my original letter to Paul (22 August 2003): Hi Paul,How's things ? I was reading some more discussion about primitiveaccumulation on OPE list, and I have a question. When I read Marx's Capitalin German, I never found any place in which he uses the term

Re: Regulation, state, economy

2003-08-28 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
Hi Jim, The LORD is my shepherd, isn't that what they say ? Check out Estelle Reyna. also, the Dutch East India Company and similar organizations _merged_ the functions of a privately-owned enterprise with those of a state (a monopoly of force within the geographical area). So the DEIC didn't

Re: Protest UN/IMF/WB/Donors Conferences in Europe

2003-08-28 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
. . . Although Iraq does not have any outstanding loans from the IMF, it does have arrears of close to $72 million. I don't believe that figure. How are those arrears accounted for ? Are these arrears owing to the IMF ? One thing I have noticed is that there are some mighty peculiar forms of

Re: Regulation, state, economy

2003-08-28 Thread Shane Mage
Title: Re: Regulation, state, economy Jurriaan wrote: ...When I read Marx's Capital in German, I never found any place in which he uses the term primitive accumulation, rather, he uses the term ursprungliche Akkumulation, that is to say, the initial or original accumulation. Do you have any

Re: Regulation, state, economy

2003-08-28 Thread andie nachgeborenen
I don't see how this has anything to do with whether stateless capitalism is possible. jks --- Shane Mage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jurriaan wrote: ...When I read Marx's Capital in German, I never found any place in which he uses the term primitive accumulation, rather, he uses the term

Re: Regulation, state, economy

2003-08-28 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 8/28/03 10:08:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Paul, How's things ? I was reading some more discussion about primitive accumulation on OPE list, and I have a question. When I read Marx's Capital in German, I never found any place in which he uses the

Re: Regulation, state, economy

2003-08-28 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 8/28/03 12:25:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't see how this has anything to do with whether stateless capitalism is possible. jks A stateless property relations is not possible and this includes public property. There is a real question as to

Turkey: Subimperial dreams

2003-08-28 Thread Sabri Oncu
Dear All, Below is an article by Emrah Goker, a sociology PhD student at Columbia University and a member of the Peace Initiative/Turkey, based in New York. Since we recommend on the A-List that post should be made in plain-text format, I converted his document to that, and in due course, his

Re: Regulation, state, economy

2003-08-28 Thread Devine, James
this discussion of terms is missing the key distinction between two types of primitive accumulation or whatever you want to call it: 1) the sort emphasized by the bourgeois economists, in which today's inequality of wealth is a result of some people being more thrifty than others at some point

Re: Regulation, state, economy

2003-08-28 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 8/28/03 1:26:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The suggestion of Marxists is that first you have primitive accumulation and then you have capitalism and after that the primitive accumulation is finished; and this is just nonsense, no serious analyst