Re: Are these real deductions?

2003-09-25 Thread joanna bujes
The cumulative aid Israel has received from the US is often absurdly inflated, by both supporters and detractors of Israel, by counting these kind of loan guarantees as if they were grants. Michael These debts are often forgiven Joanna

Re: interesting thesis

2003-09-25 Thread Bill Lear
On Wednesday, September 24, 2003 at 17:07:04 (-0700) michael writes: Since there has been little economic discussion lately, I thought I would throw this into the pot. Ok, I need some definitions: o human capital: workers? o physical capital: machines? o education compositions of

Letter to Ray Markey about stopping Bush

2003-09-25 Thread Louis Proyect
(Ray Markey is President of the New York Public Library Guild, Local 1930, in New York City) Dear Ray, I can't say that I am totally surprised by your signature on Bush Can Be Stopped: A Letter to the Left. (www.petitiononline.com/LttrLeft/petition.html) The letter seems to be a project of

Re: us/chinese real estate bubbles

2003-09-25 Thread ravi
Michael Perelman wrote: Is there no pretense of socialism anymore? the pretense is definitely there. last month, when i was in china, i saw signs of it everywhere. the most popular joke among the locals seems to be this one: clinton, putin and dengX are driving in separate cars and come upon a

[Fwd: FWD: the death of Edward W. Said]

2003-09-25 Thread e. ahmet tonak
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sns-ap-obit-said,0,2511480.story?coll=sns-ap-nation-headlines Palestinian Scholar Edward W. Said Dies By Associated Press September 25, 2003, 10:49 AM EDT NEW YORK -- Edward W. Said, a Columbia University professor, literary critic

Re: interesting thesis

2003-09-25 Thread Michael Perelman
Oh my God! Someone on the list is interested in economics. Bill Lear wrote: o human capital: workers? supposedly the capitalized value of education and experience. o physical capital: machines? yup o education compositions of employment: the relationship between

From Neocon to Panopticon: OK Computer, or, the bourgeois answer to equilibrium problems

2003-09-25 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
Ever read Foucault's book Discipline and Punish ? Now don't tell me that books don't have influence, and that ideas don't travel. Check this out: http://www.eetimes.com/story/OEG20020104S0044 and this: http://www.aimglobal.org/technologies/ I already mentioned on PEN-L how the British middle

Re: Heavy pressure to back a Democrat

2003-09-25 Thread John Gulick
From Richard Goldstein's Left-Handed Compliments in the Village Voice: The coalescing of free marketeers and fundamentalists into a potent right-wing political force has driven the left to reconsider its usual strategy of divide and be conquered Gulick sez: Regardless of whether one endorses the

Louis' Letter to Ray Markey about stopping Bush

2003-09-25 Thread Dan Scanlan
Right on! Write on! Dan Scanlan

Re: Heavy pressure to back a Democrat

2003-09-25 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
George Bush wants government control at home and markets free for American corporations overseas. Do you expect him to say anything different ? Jurriaan

Quotable quotes

2003-09-25 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
Here's a howler in Marxist economic science: The Net Domestic Product represents the sum of incomes (gross) for the whole of the economy - Prof. Jacques Gouverneur, Kapitalisme Vandaag [Capitalism Today], Berchem: EPO, 1989, p. 280). Here's a succinct heterodox statement on Ricardian

Value

2003-09-25 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
Jim, I would agree with you about that, with the proviso that I think Marx's term commodity fetishism is a bit dated, he would have been better off talking about commercial reification as the general concept. because it is just not commodities that are reified, but money, capital, property,

Ellen Meiksins Wood radio interview

2003-09-25 Thread Louis Proyect
I want to urge everybody to listen to the interview with Ellen Meiksins Wood that is online at: http://www.livingroomradio.org/. Although it is marred by an unwillingness by interviewer C.S. Sung to ask tough follow-up questions, it does at least allow this celebrated author to expound freely on

Re: value

2003-09-25 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
Hi Jim I would agree with you about that, with the proviso that I think Marx's term commodity fetishism is a bit dated, he would have been better off talking about commercial reification as the general concept. because it is just not commodities that are reified, but money, capital, property,

Amnesty Report on US treatment of prisoners

2003-09-25 Thread k hanly
Commentary from World Socialist Website http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/sep2003/amne-s25.shtml Amnesty International report denounces US treatment of war prisoners By Ruby Rankin 25 September 2003 A recent report by Amnesty International (AI) warns that the Bush administration is repudiating

Asymmetrical compensation

2003-09-25 Thread k hanly
Libyan Families of U.S. Bomb Victims Protest By ALEXANDER G. HIGGINS The Associated Press Wednesday, September 24, 2003; 7:25 PM GENEVA - Families of people killed when U.S. jets bombed Libya urged Tripoli on Wednesday to suspend payments to relatives of the victims of the 1988 downing of a Pan

Backtracking or damage control?

2003-09-25 Thread k hanly
http://sg.biz.yahoo.com/030924/1/3eflw.html Thursday September 25, 1:22 AM Iraqi council backs off foreign ownership measure Iraq's Governing Council backed off from a controversial pledge by its finance minister to allow 100 percent foreign ownership in most economic sectors here, saying the

Re: Heavy pressure to back a Democrat

2003-09-25 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Well, not really. The mix of state subsidies is somewhat different with the Democrats--more social welfare-y, even if the social welfare itself is increasingly designed on a market model. People can debate whether this difference qualifies as significant, but it is misleading to deny that it

Re: Heavy pressure to back a Democrat

2003-09-25 Thread Doug Henwood
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, not really. The mix of state subsidies is somewhat different with the Democrats--more social welfare-y, even if the social welfare itself is increasingly designed on a market model. People can debate whether this difference qualifies as significant, but it is

Re: Heavy pressure to back a Democrat

2003-09-25 Thread John Gulick
Joel Blau wrote: Well, not really. The mix of state subsidies is somewhat different with the Democrats--more social welfare-y, even if the social welfare itself is increasingly designed on a market model. People can debate whether this difference qualifies as significant, but it is misleading to

Enron redux

2003-09-25 Thread Eubulides
[who needs Jerry Springer when we've still got these folks...] Enron Sues Citigroup, J.P. Morgan, Four Other Banks Sept. 25 (Bloomberg) -- Enron Corp. sued Citigroup Inc. and J.P. Morgan Chase Co., its two largest creditors, and four other banks, alleging their business dealings with the

Re: Heavy pressure to back a Democrat

2003-09-25 Thread Joel Blau
Fine. I would agree with this longer, and more precise, formulation. Joel Blau John Gulick wrote: Joel Blau wrote: Well, not really. The mix of state subsidies is somewhat different with the Democrats--more social welfare-y, even if the social welfare itself is increasingly designed on a

Re: Heavy pressure to back a Democrat

2003-09-25 Thread Sabri Oncu
Doug: Or is radical social change impossible without capturing the state? I am unable to imagine any other alternative, at least, for now and in the foreseeable future. Sabri

China, again

2003-09-25 Thread Eubulides
[Far Eastern Economic Review] TRADE The One-Two Punch China is coming under fire in the United States on two fronts. Politicians and others accuse Beijing of stealing U.S. jobs. But growing anger at the slow pace of trade reforms may prove the bigger issue By Murray Hiebert/WASHINGTON and David

Re: The best of the best ?

2003-09-25 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
Hi Barry, You are way ahead of the best. You say the most important things very well. Thanks for the compliment, it's nice if somebody says something good about me, but it's bullshit you know. Nobody is the best of the best, we are all good at some things and useless at other things.

Upcoming Capital course in NYC

2003-09-25 Thread Drewk
Please note that the wrong title and wrong description of this seminar appear in the Brecht Forum's schedule of events and on its website. THE ANNOUNCEMENT BELOW IS THE CORRECT ONE. Please feel free to forward it. Indeed, I would appreciate folks forwarding it in order to help rectify the

Re: China, again

2003-09-25 Thread Shane Mage
Elementary fallacy here: [Far Eastern Economic Review] ...The renminbi is pegged to the dollar, so the U.S. currency's slide this year has made Chinese exports even cheaper... Cheaper, yes--but not against the dollar-denominated US products! Indeed, if there is any effect at all it would be to