re: comments on shoes and class from Jim D.

s may have been more effective than sales of stock by shareholders. Analogously, perhaps instead of worrying so much about where we buy our shoes, we should organize protests against TNCs, form worker collectives, attempt to influence organized government to regulate TNCs, etc. Regards, Blair Sandler

economics of sustainable development

University of Southern California. If you are interested yourself or can suggest appropriate folks, please email me at my address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and/or give my address to anyone who might be interested in participating and/or have them call Andrea directly at EDGE: 415-421-6891. Thanks. Blair Sandler

re: prices of computers

direct labour time spent on their production, but depends rather on the general state of science and on the progress of technology, or the application of this science to production" (1973, 704-5). Isn't this exactly what has taken place in the computer industry (as well as elsewhere)? Regards, Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

toma

PROTECTED] == Back issues available via anonymous ftp from ftp.std.com/periodicals/rachel and via gopher server at gopher.std.com and at envirolink.org and at igc.apc.org. Regards to all. Blair Sandler

re: race, morals, and welfare

ght. One more thing: their idea of a "true rainbow coalition" is multiethnic but not multicultural. On the contrary, the goal is that everybody should share 1950s middle America nuclear family white bread culture. Multicultural is anti-assimiliationist. Blair Sandler

WSJ: Marxists thrive in academia

Arthur MacEwan, Julie Matthaei, and John Roemer. The article also mentioned the huge conference sponsored by RETHINKING MARXISM a couple of years ago, "Marxism in the New World Order," which took place at UMass Amherst. Rick Wolff had the best quote: "It's fun," he says of Marxism. Blair Sandler

one hand clapping

I've got one hand clapping for Doug Henwood, too. (The other hand is typing) Blair Sandler

re: Marxian theory of the firm

Simplistic Marxist theory (by this I mean that I am representing the theory crudely): the firm maximizes rate of surplus value. The logic of capital is to maximize surplus appropriation. Alternative theory of the firm: enterprises seek to secure access to the conditions of existence of

re: Marxian theory of the firm

Jim: yes, I've read vols II and III of _Capital_. I said, "simplistic Marxist theory" because I figured most of us would be familiar with the details. The difference between the value profit rate and the money profit rate (if I've got the terms right here) is irrelevant to the point I'm making.

LBO on Money Death

Blair Sandler

email address

Sorry to bother people with this, but I am wondering if anyone has an email address for Joachim Silvestre at UC Davis. Thanks. Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Help in Interdisciplinary Science/Environmental Studies

Anthony: I will forward your message for help to the Ecol-Econ list. Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

capitalists shed crocodile tears?

reference in this regard? Much obliged. Blair Sandler 80 Duncan St. #1 San Francisco, CA 94110 415.282.2163 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

looking for Woodwards

I don't exactly know if this is appropriate on PEN-L, but a friend is looking for former friends of her, the brothers Ken and Doug Woodward, who, I am given to understand, are both economists. Perhaps if anyone knows either of them, they could pass this message on to them. My friend's name is

re: Karl on Krisis

Doug Henwood wrote, "Somewhere - I think it was the Grundrisse - Marx said there is no such thing as permanent crisis. Now I can't locate the quote. Can anyone help me out?" Please post to pen-l; I'm interested too. Thanks. Blair Sandler

economics of sustainable development

University of Southern California. If you are interested yourself or can suggest appropriate folks, please email me at my address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and/or give my address to anyone who might be interested in participating and/or have them call Andrea directly at EDGE: 415-421-6891. Thanks. Blair Sandler

[PEN-L:4065] re: chomsky page

Institute for Global Communications also has a "progressive directory" web page. IGC runs Peacenet, Labornet, and Econet. Their URL is: (I think) http://www.igc.apc.org There you'll find links to all kinds of progressive (if not necessarily "left") net resources Blair

[PEN-L:4136] re: NYT article on prison unemployment

." I would also be interested in that article, so please post to the list. Thanks Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:5492] Re: Gintis and all that

ce to the "errors" of BG. Eric . Eric Nilsson Department of Economics California State University San Bernardino, CA 92407 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rich Parkin, Economics Dept., 400 Wickenden Building, 10,900 Euclid Ave., Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH 44106-7206 (216) 368-4294 (w) (216) 368-5039 (fax) Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:5501] Re: gintis and all that

people in the Amherst School) reject any effort "to say anything about the real world." Anyone who could think so has clearly not read or understood the work coming out of the Amherst School over the past bunch of years. Of course, I'm just an "airheaded pomo," so what would I

[PEN-L:5533] Re: We MUST be essentialists

vement of human potential and on other rhelms of society. Otherwise, why care about a transformation to socialism? Eric . Eric Nilsson Department of Economics California State University San Bernardino, CA 92407 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:5554] Re: We MUST be essentialists

long involved discussions on this matter. I'm broke, unemployed, job-searching, paper-writing, and leaving in a week on a trip for a week. Sorry, Eric. Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:5557] Re: science essentialism

tremendously over the past 10 or more years and particularly so in the last half of that period. Regards, Blair Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:5570] Re: We MUST be essentialists

ecause it's not how I remember you). If you're genuinely interested, look at the literature of the Amherst School over the past 4 years to see a significant number of people thinking creatively about socialism. (And if I've misread your tone, my apologies.) Sincerely, Blair Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:5575] Re: We MUST be essentialists

been going on for 15 years already and still going strong, no?). Perhaps sometime we can get into it and give it the attention it deserves (maybe you could do that now but I can't). Blair Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:5590] Info request from Susan Feiner

er 603 374 9263 (ph) 603 374 6509 (fax) Assoc. Prof./Economics Women's Studies GENERAL DELIVERYUniversity of Southern Maine Bartlett, NH 03812Portland, Me 04103 Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:5905] Re: Korea

Obviously in the mainstream press North Korea is described as near-Gulag, not to mention desperately poor, etc. Could you say briefly what you see as "the best" of the North? Thanks in advance. In ignorance, Blair Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:5605] Re: Evaluating and grading critical thinking skills

interested in such information. Please copy any email notes to me. Thanks. Blair Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:5667] Re: welfare

. The obvious conclusions are that welfare benefits were astonishingly high to begin with, and that the recipients are slow learners. Peter You, Sir, have a dry and acerbic sense of humor I rather like. :) Blair Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:5805] Re: Crack Intelligence Agency

-3137 fax email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://www.panix.com/~dhenwood/LBO_home.html Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:5864] Crack and CIA

organization considerable time and money to produce it. We would like to continue to provide this service free. You could help by making a tax-deductible contribution (anything you can afford, whether $5.00 or $500.00). Please send your contribution to: Environmental Research Foundation, P.O. Box 5036, Annapolis, MD 21403-7036. --Peter Montague, Editor Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:5943] First Internet Union Born

enter and is based in the Thoreau Center for Sustainability in the Presidio of San Francisco. -30- Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:5974] Re: overdetermination redux: come on, Jim, at least hit the

This is a response to Jim Devine's message, copied below. I frankly did not understood what Steve meant by his off-the-cuff, tongue-in-cheek (?) comment about "what you see is what you get." I didn't think it helped explain anything, and I don't think your snide (so it seems to me) response

[PEN-L:6019] re: re: overdetermination redux

he effectivity of a "thing" is just what the thing is. Since things are all different, so is their effectivity, and thus it doesn't make sense to say they are "equally" effective (important). For a concrete argument of this point, see THE ECOLOGIST 26/3, May/June 1996, pp. 98-103, for John O'Neill's short but excellent critique of cost-benefit analysis on just these lines. Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:6018] Re: property and ownership

ignificant? Is this old territory, written about and discussed ad nauseum already? Blair Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:6071] Re: Clinton and Blair NOT! on same wavelength

about what a sleezy slimy slug he is. Blair Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:6073] Re: Rethinking Overdetemination

Antonio wrote, I hope I am not irking any Hegelians out there Oh come now, Antonio: you *like* irking Hegelians! :) Blair Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:6074] Re: Fwd: re: rethinking overdetermination

I'm listening to a very cool CD of Thelonious Monk (advanced jazz?) as I write this. But he's African American, so it's okay, right? Blair (who is NOT on the same wavelength as Clinton) Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh shit, I better turn in my union card, I listen to classical music (rgh)

[PEN-L:6077] Re: Clinton and Blair NOT! on same wavelength

slimy slug he is. Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:6089] Re: What did Herb say?

y courses, and most of the class and extra-curricular discussions with professors and students, were extremely valuable. I do not regret for a moment having obtained my Ph.D. from there. Blair Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:6122] NAFTA strikes again

; * Under NAFTA, governments have obligations to investors, but not to environment or public health. Blair Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:6206] Re: nonmarket enviromentalism

o question management. Blair Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:6253] Re: value of labor power and wage

Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:6434] Re: S. Tell

o the West as to the East of England. So "Middle East" is completely unhelpful in terms of locating anything. It has come to be accepted as a name only because of the history of English (and now U.S.) imperialism. Can't we give this one up? Blair Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:6439] Re: institutionalism the Greater Levant

de the Persian Gulf countries as they do not border the Mediterranean. Even Jordan would technically be excluded. Perhaps "Greater Levant" is intended to solve this problem. I actually *like* "Afro-Asia." "Western Asia," of course, does not include Egypt, so that's a problem with *that* name. Blair Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:6440] Re: S. Tell

reless. My apologies. It should be obvious that my question/criticism refers equally to the "Far East" or "the Orient." Actually, from the point of view of England, I'd think that Ireland is the Far East. And for the U.S. the Far East would be California. Hey, that's me! :) Blair Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:6443] UAW job guarantees

d I hear someone say bye-bye community?). It seems that the only circumstance in which the job guarantee will take effect is if a company wants to produce fewer cars because it loses market share. Perhaps I'm missing something, but what exactly did the UAW gain with this contract? Blair

[PEN-L:6449] Re: railing on dole

Robert Naiman writes, "we're tired, we're cranky, we don't like the government" How about, "we're sick, the earth is sick, we're pissed, we hate big business" ?? :) Blair Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:6803] Re: Shawgi Tell's low signal to noise ratio

"read"; then transfer to trash. This avoids a dialog box if you manually empty Eudora's trash.) On a Mac, if you're not using Eudora, it's pretty easy to write an AppleScript (or QuicKeys macro) to do the same thing. Blair Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:6804] revolutionary ecological fiction

ed on Earth: extremists, communists, vandals, saboteurs, reds, terrorists. Never the words *rebel* or *revolutionary*, words of which half the Earth (at least) might approve. No, they were isolated groups of insane, destructive terrorists." Okay, that's all. I'm interested in comments from others who have (or haven't) read this work. Blair Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:6865] Re:

Someone mentioned that Eudora can filter out mail, though perhaps the shareware version I use is not up to this task. Sandy, I believe this is the case, though as I don't use the shareware version I'm not sure. Blair Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:6867] reform or revolution? revisited

ing those tendencies in those who are or will be in business; or do you teach that unions can increase productivity; "environmentally friendly commodities" can be profitable, and the like, thereby reinforcing liberal tendencies at the cost of pushing "socialism" away? Eagerly a

[PEN-L:6869] Re: revolutionary ecological fiction

uld like institutionally is underdeveloped but far from nonexistent. On this point, again, I suggest you look at CNS. Lots of great articles about political economy and political ecology (where in my mind politics is about power). Regards, Blair Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:6871] The Politics and Languages of Contemporary Marxism (conference

program of art and cultural activities. The full schedule of art, panels and plenaries, along with information about registration, travel instructions, accomodations, daycare, and publishers' exhibitions is available on the web site. Hope to see you there! Blair Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:6872] GM-CAW agreement

ns from corporations regarding long term job security for workers, or are these various promises on the part of the corporations little more than rhetorical dressing so the unions can save face? On the other hand, CAW workers got health and some other benefits for same-sex partners. Blair Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:6880] typo

AL, Marx was arguing not *for* but *against* the Ricardian notion that the rate of capital falls. Of course in the last sentence I meant that the rate of *profit* falls, not the rate of *capital*. Sorry for the typo. It was 5:00 AM when I wrote that. Blair Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:6881] Re: rising rate of profit?

arguing not *for* but *against* the Ricardian notion that the rate of capital falls. Also, see Steve Cullenberg's book, THE FALLING RATE OF PROFIT: RECASTING THE MARXIAN DEBATE, Pluto Press, 1994. Regards, Blair Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:6895] Re: rising rate of profit?

this point very explicitly in his book. Yes, but it should be obvious that in interpreting debates on a subject one's own interpretation on the subject is revealed as well. And I know Steve would agree with this. Blair Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:6897] Re: GM-CAW agreement

but irrelevant to the question I posed about concessions, rhetoric and saving face. Blair Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:6901] intro macro textbook?

hese posts or a summary with anyone else who requested it of me. Thanks in advance. Blair Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:6902] Re: teaching reform and revolution? revisited

used the subject header "teaching reform and revolution?" Appreciating all the replies so far; keep 'em coming, folks! Thanks. Blair Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:6932] Re: I'm afraid to say this...

the nerve to argue that the Internet was the proof that government can't pick research and should stay out of the way and let private capital decide what to do. It even acknowledged (in one sentence) that the Pentagon started the Internet. Sheesh! Blair Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:6952] would that it would happen here

st defense cutbacks, because there aren't any! Blair Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:6972] re: Krugman

strated my understanding of the course material and more, and when he wouldn't raise my grade, requested another opportunity to take a test. Nope. The only F I got at Yale. I wasn't an econ major at that point; I'm not quite sure why that didn't stop me from switching my major to economics later. Blair

[PEN-L:6974] Re: AI unionbuster?

ry, it seems to me to indicate the necessity of *greater* collective political action, specifically of communal or communist class processes, wherein workers collectively appropriate their own surplus labor and decide what to do with it (and thus how to organize their work, etc.). Blair Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:6980] Re: pol econ PhD programs

of these individuals or their work, UMass offers a broad range of different heterodox perspectives on social theory. Blair Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:7088] Re: White collar/unproductive worker?

es is part of a service sold as a commodity by the dental corporation. Blair Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:7092] post-modern wars

tainable development. I have to go now but I'm going to send this out now as a teaser. I'll be back later this weekend with more about my take on post-modernism and what's valuable about these three books. Blair Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:7126] Re: post-modern wars

At 8:39 AM 11/1/96, Blair Sandler wrote: And DEVELOPMENT BETRAYED is a book-length critique of modernism (NC theory comes in for repeated attacks on just that basis) in the form of development theory and practice, and a post-modern analysis of the need for and possibilty of sustainable

[PEN-L:7128] Re: post-modern wars

her argument, which is nonetheless fundamentally post-modern. (THE COMING PLAGUE). Blair Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:7135] Re: PoMoTown

deadlines). Sheesh! Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:7136] Re: pomo communication: spider net approach

, the strings lack of elasticity when talking about basic Neoclassical economics, the remaining strings are assumed to be stiff. My interpretation is, that here with the spider net is the initial connection and simultaneously starts the divergence. What do you think about that? Blair Sandler

[PEN-L:7156] Re: obnoxious personal attacks

On Mon, 28 Oct 1996, Blair Sandler wrote: I hate to say it but UMass Amherst is the obvious place to go, with Rick Wolff, Steve Resnick, Sam Bowles, Nancy Folbre (and Ann Ferguson down the hall), Julie Graham in geography, David Kotz, Jim Crotty, Jim Boyce, even (shudder) Herb Gintis

[PEN-L:7164] Re: Pomo and U. Mass. Economics department

life, I am unlikely to respond. Pete Bohmer Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:7179] Re: Pomo and U. Mass. Economics department

ople might view differently. I certainly can't say this about myself. Blair Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:7180] Re: post modern wars

of my own perspectives on pomo (those three books), but keep wanting to respond to specific things that come up and I'm already stealing time from other deadline things I need to do. Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:7200] Re: It is gone to far: Time Out.

of accessible, political theory based on pomoish insights? Blair Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:7201] Re: Marilyn Waring

a commodity are three to four times the market value? [I would really like to know the source of these estimates and am pissed that they aren't cited. What I tell my students is that even if the estimates are too big by three to four times, then they're still the equivalent of the market cost and the same question is appropriate.] Blair Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:7222] Re: post modern courtesy

further. Case in point, his great articles in LBO 71 and 72 criticizing David Korten's book, WHEN CORPORATIONS RULE THE WORLD, and the International Forum on Globalization. Those articles really helped crystallize my own thinking already in formation. Blair Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:7223] Re: nattering nabob

ell as anything else, I think, the powerful *predictive* ability of Marxian theory. Blair Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:7250] Re: post modern courtesy

At 7:44 AM 11/4/96, Blair Sandler wrote: Doug Henwood, for example, has a way of producing information that often leads me to new understandings, or at least assists me in developing my understandings further. Case in point, his great articles in LBO 71 and 72 criticizing David Korten's book

[PEN-L:7248] Re: Vote for Nader

will change anything, since he's not going to be elected. And if he were, everything would be different and so who could say what might change in that event?! Blair Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:7249] Re: nattering nabob

created conditions for communist class processes, in which LTV would be transcended. [I'm being simplistic and sloppy here but the general idea should be clear.] Blair Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:7256] Re: Vote for Nader

On Mon, 4 Nov 1996, Blair Sandler wrote: Merhaba Fikret, is it possible to know how you think Nader will change the present system of the financial oligarchy which effectively marginalizes and ghettoizes the broad masses of the people? Or is this not his aim? Shawgi Tell Shawgi: you

[PEN-L:7255] Re: It is gone to far: Tim

What I meant was that Social Text Co. were caught with their pants down and have had a lot of explaining to do. Certainly no question about that in my mind! What if anything it says about post-modern wars is another question entirely. Blair Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:7280] Re: It is gone to far: Tim

At 12:01 AM 11/5/96, Blair Sandler wrote: What I meant was that Social Text Co. were caught with their pants down and have had a lot of explaining to do. Certainly no question about that in my mind! What if anything it says about post-modern wars is another question entirely. One thing

[PEN-L:7279] Re: Economia al Pomodoro

academics is not appreciated. Of course, if I'm being overly sensitive and in fact your hopes expressed below are sincere, than I thank you for your good wishes. I would indeed appreciate a reasonable full time paid job that would enable me to get out of debt. Sincerely, Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:7289] Re: Vote for Nader

history and I don't particularly think I can contribute anything new and important to it at this point. Thanks for the discussion. Blair Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:2302] OVERDETERMINATION: A Petty Bourgeois Speculation?

obligation is to insist that class has its own, unique effectivity, that exploitation is a form of social injustice, and that social justice will therefore be diminished, weakened, difficult, or impossible, without explicit and specific attention to class processes. Contra your assertion, *none* of the bourgeois lackeys you named would agree with this underestanding of the importance of class. Respectfully, Blair Sandler

[PEN-L:2304] Re: OVERDETERMINATION: A Petty Bourgeois Speculation?

At 3:35 PM 1/9/96, SHAWGI TELL wrote: Blair, thanks for your thoughtful response. I'm not sure what we are doing here but I agree with most of what you say. Although I think I'm going to stick with the notion that class EXPLAINS a far broader range of social phenomena than other social factors

[PEN-L:2325] Marx's value theory Marx's method

st or something else?), and others. I will look forward to reading your article. Blair Sandler

[PEN-L:2362] Re: The V-word

At 11:02 AM 1/15/96, Mike Meeropol wrote: Marx's approach stated that the relationship was the result of HUMAN EFFORT -- both past and present. I still haven't been convinced that he or his followers have made a good enough case for that particular yardstick. the biosphere, the "gaia-given"

[PEN-L:2363] Re: All the world's a stage

ass politics and class struggle among all sorts of social movements and on a mass scale. As this is my concern and interest in Marxism, my allegiance is clear. Respectfully, Blair Sandler

[PEN-L:2394] Re: The V-word

At 10:02 AM 1/17/96, James Devine wrote: I think the Marxian "meta-economic vision" or "problematic" or whatever you want to call it almost automatically implies that the concept of "socially necessary abstract labor time" (i.e., value) is central to the political economy, helping us to address

[PEN-L:2399] Re: A new Threat on the Horizen -Post Tenure Review

accumulation crowd. Maybe I'm being too harsh, too judgmental, allowing my personal biases to get the better of me. I'm interested in other's opinions. Blair Sandler

[PEN-L:2400] Re: pen-l and censorship

At 10:09 AM 1/17/96, Michael Perelman wrote: Here are my thoughts on censorship: I do not believe that free speech should be censored when that speech occurs in the public domain, such as publishing in books or broadcasting. I do not regard pen-l as the public domain. Instead, pen-l is a space

[PEN-L:2419] Re: A new Threat on the Horizen -Post Tenure R

-modernism to post-marxism. This move is illegitimate, as there are post-modern marxists. (He says, hating to sound like a broken record) Blair Sandler

[PEN-L:2420] Re: The V-word

of externalities that focuses on market status. My work, as people might have guessed, centers on understanding the relationship between capitalist class exploitation and environmental degradation. Blair Sandler

[PEN-L:2436] Re: women technol

At 11:02 AM 1/18/96, Peter.Dorman wrote: The relationship between ecology and socialism/democracy? We need socialism in order to have the instruments by which to create a sustainable society. Of course, having the instruments doesn't mean we will use them wisely, so even in a "perfect"

[PEN-L:2448] Re: unions

ut P-K material, but I thought this was the fundamental point of Keynes thinking about uncertainty (that none of the curves stay still long enough to get a good look at them, so to speak), and Joan Robinson's "logical time." I'd appreciate mid-course corrections if I'm spouting nonsense here Blair Sandler

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