Re: Re: Re: Re: The Vulnerable Planet (was Re:suburbia)

Julio Huato wrote: >Pre-Hispanic Mexico was not a harmonious, paradisiac society. Thank you. Are there any currents in Mexican politics that share the alienated Northerner's nostalgia for Pre-Hispanic Mexico? Doug

Foster responds

I forwarded recent remarks to John Bellamy Foster for comments, who responds: At 7:09 PM -0700 6/28/01, John Bellamy Foster wrote: >Thanks for asking. Louis' comments on ecology are always interesting. I did >not base my discussion in THE VULNERABLE PLANET on a CNS article by J. >Donald Hughes o

Re: carrying capacity in California

Mark Jones wrote: >This is an MS excel attachment, it seems to work, apologies if attachments >are against the rules on this list. If it doesn't come thru I can supply it >privately. > >It details California carrying capacity and population overshoot by county. >I don't endorse it since I don't k

Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: carrying capacity in California

Tim Bousquet wrote: >I can't seem to open the attachment showing >alleged carrying capacity, but I imagine it shows >Butte County meeting whatever the standard is. It figures you need 1.25 acres of cropland per person. Here's the stuff in text form. Doug Harvested P

Re: Re: carrying capacity in California

Michael Perelman wrote: >Even worse, most of our locally produced and consumed food first goes to >warehouses in the Bay Area, about 150 miles away. But that's where the people are. I don't get it - are SF & LA supposed to grow their own food on rooftops and in backyard gardens? Or is this who

Re: Re: carrying capacity in California

Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: >Perhaps the debate can get going if you & Michael write up how the >world is to be reconstituted & -- more importantly -- how to arrive >at such reconstruction. A political program & strategy, in other >words. Then others can respond more constructively. Yes. That's

Re: Another Illustration. Re: (from Doug)

Carrol Cox wrote: >How many people do you think the earth can support? How do we get there? I don't really know. But I don't send out multiple megabytes of data daily claiming that the situation is critically dire, nor do I suggest that the world is seriously overpopulated. Like I said the ot

Re: Re: Re: carrying capacity in California

Michael Perelman wrote: >Doug's tone -- I don't think that he intends it that way -- almost strikes >me as if he thinks that people who worry about carrying capacity just >don't care about people. "What about this group of people ???" I think lots of people who go on about carrying capacity and

Re: Re: Re: Another Illustration. Re: (from Doug)

Carrol Cox wrote: >Doug Henwood wrote: >> >> I think the extreme apocalyptic versions of Malthusian >> environmentalism are less science than depressive misanthropy >> elevated to a political philosophy; > >My objection to you, Mark, & Lou is tha

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: carrying capacity in California

Carrol Cox wrote: >Doug Henwood wrote: >> >> >> I think lots of people who go on about carrying capacity and >> overpopulation don't care much about people. Misanthropy oozes from >> Paul Ehrlich's prose, for example. >> > >There you go a

[PEN-L:4519] Re: An Article by Doug Henwood

Thanks Sid and Michael for forwarding my word product, but I have to say that the editing of the piece made the politics softer than I'd have liked, and changed the tone to something that wasn't really mine. Still, it pissed off a lot of Mother Jones readers, which pleased me lots. I quit doing th

[PEN-L:4426] Re: Re: Mike Davis's NYT Admissions

There's a good page of links about the Mike Davis brouhaha at , including Marc Cooper's fine article in Davis' defense and to Brady Westwater, the Malibu real estate guy who set out to ruin him after reading Davis' "Let Malibu Burn." Doug

[PEN-L:4398] Re: Irony

Thomas Kruse wrote: >Doug & Carrol: > >Speaking of irony (you weren´t, Doug), that is what don Carlos was up to >here, no? > >>On first glance, and even second, the market is that place of >>liberty, equality, and Bentham that Marx said it was I thought so, but evidently our understanding do

[PEN-L:4380] Re: Re: Re: Open letter to Marc Chernick

William S. Lear wrote: >Very nice riff there Doug, though I have one disagreement with the >above. Last night as I was leafing through volume 3 of Philip >H. Burch's *Elites in American History*, I was reminded quite vividly >that capitalism has very definitely not "split the economic and the >p

[PEN-L:4364] Re: Re: civil society

Louis Proyect wrote: >I think the problem is when "civil society" is used as a club against >socialist revolution. That, of course, is exactly what Jorge Castenada >intended when he wrot As U.S. philanthropists and their pet intellectuals use the term, it's not just directed against socialist re

[PEN-L:4350] Craven in Chronicle

Chronicle of Higher Education - March 19, 1999 A Dispute Over a Professor's E-Mail Illustrates the Complexities of Acceptable-Use Policies Scholar sees threat to academic freedom; college fears it could be sued for his comments By PETER MONAGHAN A dispute at Clark College has reminded campus-n

[PEN-L:4342] Re: Re: US, Japanese, German foreign investment

Bill Rosenberg wrote: >There are some figures that may be useful in the UN's "World >Investment Report" for 1996 and 1997 - I haven't seen the 1998 one. I think they use the IMF's balance of payments figures, which wouldn't distinguish between financial flows and capital expenditures. Doug

[PEN-L:4333] Re: Re: Social Security issue on Coalition web site

invest 30% of the social >security trust fund in the stock market! > >Doug Henwood, who I believe was the first to examine the actuaries >numbers and call the so-called crisis phony, is also one of Nadlers >constituents. Possibly, Doug will comment? Hey, how about Henwood for >Con

[PEN-L:4325] Re: US, Japanese, German foreign investment

Barbara Laurence wrote: >Doug, I don't think your data distinguish between foreign direct investment >that are merely M and A's, contrasted with the FDI that consist of the >construction or addition or modification of real productive capacity. I'm >speaking of the latter. I see the former mainly

[PEN-L:4289] Re: Re: Who was Red Oskar?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Does "Red" mean left keynesian now? Yeah. The Tobin tax is like radical, man. Doug

[PEN-L:4246] ICP

The excellent Matthew Lee, founder of Inner City Press/Community on the Move, a Bronx-based community reinvestment/anti-redlining/Fed-torturing group, has just opened a website . If you're interested in that sort of thing, pay them a visit! Doug

[PEN-L:4180] Re: Political Economy (fwd)

Michael Hoover wrote: >> NEW YORK--(BUSINESS WIRE)--March 4, 1999---barnesandnoble.com today >> announced Monica's Story continues to gain momentum in sales. Yesterday, >> the company announced the newly released book had moved into its number >> one current bestseller spot on Tuesday. >> >> As o

[PEN-L:4179] Re: Re: Re: Mike Davis vindicated

Michael Perelman wrote: >Jim D. asked about the historian who took note of the relationship between >fascism and big business. > >Wasn't his name Abraham? Run out of academia, I believe. David Abraham. Became a lawyer I think. Doug

[PEN-L:4096] LaRouche on Soros

Henry C.K. Liu quoted: >Soros is the visible side of a vast and nasty secret network of >private financial interests, controlled by the leading aristocratic and >royal families of Europe, centered in the British House of Windsor. I was thinking as I started reading this, "Ok, so Executive Intell

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Harry Magdoff on marketsocialism

Carrol Cox wrote: >I think you should >seriously consider that there may in fact be good reasons for leftists >to be a bit more concerned about "heretics" than are rightists (if that >is indeed the case). I'm not talking about the need to ferret out spies and agents provocateurs. I'm talking ab

[PEN-L:7441] Re: Footnote on LBO

Carrol Cox wrote: >Louis Proyect wrote: > >> Carrol Cox took exception to my "compliment" Doug Henwood: >> >"I appreciate his excellent efforts through LBO at pressuring the US >> government >> >and business interests into fair play." >

[PEN-L:7429] Re: Re: J. Donald Hughes on Mayan collapse

J. Barkley Rosser, Jr. wrote: > First let me say that I think your review of >Harvey is perfectly reasonable. I have published >a bunch of stuff on dynamics within complicated >ecological-economic and spatial hierarchies >(see button on my website for recent pubs for >those who are curious

[PEN-L:7422] Re: Zeitgeist

Craven, Jim wrote: >What does it say about the Zeitgeist when we see over and over on national >TV in primetime, the Monster.Com add showing young children saying "I want a >brown nose", "I want to be under appreciated", "I want to be forced into >early retirement", "I want to be a yes man or yes

[PEN-L:6774] Re: Re: Re: una preguntita

Jim Devine wrote: >Doug writes: >>Most studies of turnover/instability/tenure I've seen for the U.S. show no >>significant increase from the 1970s. I know this is counterintuitive, and >>it pisses people off when I say it sometimes, but it seems to be true. What >>may have happened is that some i

[PEN-L:6790] una preguntita

Thomas Kruse wrote: >That kinds leaves out Bolivia, what with almost no industrailization and >all. Which makes me woneder: if we define the problem of factor price >convergences, wages and all, what of the countries -- like Bolivia, >perhaps -- left out of the loop? Or regions of countries?

[PEN-L:6795] new stuff on LBO website

I've just added three articles to the LBO website - a review of George Soros' latest book , a polemic on the war in Yugoslavia , and an interview with Robert Hayden <.

[PEN-L:6868] Re: Re: RE: Old "foggies"/"fogeys"

Peter Dorman wrote: >Is it heresy to say that Robert Lucas and Judith Butler >have something fundamental in common? There's no outside ideology, if that's what you mean. But, though you may not like her, and you may not agree, Butler thinks of herself as a radical and a leftist, and Lucas doesn'

[PEN-L:6885] Re: Re: Re: "military euro"

Peter Dorman wrote: >Bark, I've heard the figure "one million displacements" tossed around >regarding Turkey and the Kurds. Can you or anyone else verify? And >what does displacement mean in this context? Were they expelled through >terror the way the ethnic Albanians were, or did they pick up

[PEN-L:6921] Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Old "foggies"/"fogeys"

Peter Dorman wrote: >Just my point. Localism, self-reliance, and small enterprise have both >positive and negative aspects. They have certainly been fetishized by a >portion of the erstwhile (but no longer) left. Calling it petit >bourgeois and dismissing it wholesale is not useful. Look, I d

[PEN-L:6928] Re: Re: petit bourgeois

Peter Dorman wrote: >Moreover, there is no >simple correspondence between what people believe and their class >background. This sort of ideology critique is mechanical and >procrustean. Ideas are much too mediated for that framework to apply. >(Why am I reminded of sociobiology all of a sudden?

[PEN-L:7084] Re: Re: Re: Rosaer on Kurds/Kosovo

J. Barkley Rosser, Jr. wrote: >We need to block this ground invasion train. Schröder's done that, no? Doug

[PEN-L:7176] Re: Johnson List

J. Barkley Rosser, Jr. wrote: > The Johnson List is a list that posts articles, >and messages about Russia. It is excellent, >going out about once a day in a large load. >Doug Henwood has been known to forward stuff >from it to here and to lbo-talk. > It is run by

[PEN-L:7203] Re: jim o'connor on harvey review

Louis Proyect wrote: >For newcomers to PEN-L, it should be understood that Doug Henwood agrees >with David Harvey. I am not sure on what basis, since Doug by his own >admission has been moving away from Marxism while Harvey represents himself >as trying to put it on new foundatio

[PEN-L:7268] Re: Harvey, Leibniz & Marx

ly don't like Harvey's political guidelines, or what you think are Harvey's guidelines, but at least he's trying to think about how theory and practice work together. And go ahead and forward this to your list as yet another example of "the continuing regression of Doug Henwood," even though I'm not there to answer the charge.

[PEN-L:7271] UK economy

A friend of mine who writes mainly on cultural politics is looking to talk to someone about the UK economy over the last 10-20 years. If anyone can help him out, please email me offlist. Thanks. Doug

[PEN-L:7275] Re: Rebuilding + Repopulating Cities in America (wasHarvey...)

Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: >I have no idea what the resolution looks like, but at present rebuilding >and repopulating urban areas and stopping (and better yet, reversing) >suburban sprawls in the United States would, I think, be good for both >cities and rural ecosystems. > >Here at least (if not i

[PEN-L:7278] Re: Re: Harvey and Jo'burg

Patrick Bond wrote: >I came >to the conclusion that "there should be no geographical or >locational grounds for Johannesburg to continue as South >Africa's economic heartland over coming decades and >centuries." Is this "urbicide"? Maybe. But look around this >city and you'll agree there is very

[PEN-L:7302] Re: Re: Harvey, Leibniz & Marx

Ken Hanly wrote: >In some respects modern industrial type farmers are more conscious of the >environment than earlier farmers and certainly >the quality of food and its safety has increased rather than decreased. Surely >as farms have modernised >and industrialised the average life expectancy has

[PEN-L:7304] Re: Re: Re: Re: Harvey and Jo'burg

Patrick Bond wrote: >> From: Doug Henwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Of course Johannesburg is the metropolis of one of the most polarized >> countries on earth, on the most ravaged continent on earth. Johannesburg as >> we know it is a product of an abominable

[PEN-L:7381] Re: J. Donald Hughes on Mayan collapse

Louis Proyect wrote: >I now >understand the real reason O'Connor rejected my articles on the American >Indian that Buhle had submitted to him. I was casting pearls before swine. Breathtaking. Doug

[PEN-L:7385] Re: J. Donald Hughes on Mayan collapse

Louis Proyect wrote: >>Breathtaking. >> >>Doug > >More apolitical sniping from Doug. Is it apolitical to express shock and disapproval for your arrogant dismissal of Jim O'Connor? Maybe so, maybe it's just bourgeois personalism or some such failing. If it is, I plead guilty. But, as Bob Fitch sa

[PEN-L:7391] Re: J. Donald Hughes on Mayan collapse

Louis Proyect wrote: >As I said, this is no longer about O'Connor. It is about you and me. Which is deeply boring to the spectators, no doubt, and which is why it should end. Doug

[PEN-L:7394] Panic

J. Barkley Rosser, Jr. wrote: >the moderate Milan Panic regime That's the guy who founded ICN Pharmaceuticals, right? The friend of Jerry Brown who had a troubled relation with U.S. securities law? What was he like as a head of state? Doug

[PEN-L:7371] Re: J. Donald Hughes on Mayan collapse

Louis Proyect wrote: >[Just as I suspected, J. Donald Hughes's CNS article "The Classic Maya >Collapse" was based on dated scholarship. Actually, Hughes's article turns >out to be impressions of his vacation in Mexico, not much more substantial >than my "London Calling" post. More recent scholars

[PEN-L:7342] Re: Simon Schama

Louis Proyect wrote: >Sigh. I am afraid you don't get it. There is no conspiracy afoot to promote >right-wing ideas through bribery. "A right-wing scholar in the pay of the >ruling class" is vulgar Marxism. I wish you would acquaint yourself with >the more refined version before deploying the vul

[PEN-L:7336] Re: Simon Schama

Louis Proyect wrote: >>Hey, that's why Schama has a big-ticket multimedia deal with Tina Brown for >>a history of Britain. You think Cronon or Hughes will be hearing from Tina >>too? >> >>Doug > >I don't understand why these sort of things are of interest to you. I can't >forget how you obsessed

[PEN-L:7324] Re: Simon Schama

Louis Proyect wrote: >>From a review of Schama's "Landscape And Memory" in the Toronto Star, 4/8/95 > >PROPONENTS of "deep ecology" believe that Western civilization holds a >warped attitude toward the natural world, regarding it as a realm simply to >be exploited by mankind. [etc] Hey, that's

[PEN-L:7310] Re: Re: Harvey, Leibniz & Marx

Charles Brown wrote: >Interesting how the "bourgeoisie" got a French name. And in English, beef got a French name, and cows a Germanic one. Sort of tells you who served whom in merrie olde England. Doug

[PEN-L:7270] the geography of capital

I just pulled William Cronon's Nature's Metropolis off the shelf and came across this paragraph, on p. 340: "The paradox of nineteenth-century Chicago was that the same market that brought city and country ever closer together, giving them a common culture and fostering ever more intimate communi

[PEN-L:7264] Re: Harvey, Leibniz & Marx

Louis Proyect wrote: >Using the term 'ecosystem' in this fashion is consistent with Harvey and >Cronon's approach. Again, it does not address the fundamental contradiction >addressed by Marx in the 19th century and which has only deepened. The >creation of cities like NYC, LA and Chicago has crea

[PEN-L:7252] Re: arvey, Leibniz and Marx

Louis Proyect wrote: >I didn't have space to get into this, but Harvey is very close to >William Cronon on these questions, who also views urban spaces--Chicago in >particular--as constituting "ecosystems". I believe this is nuts. People live in cities, as do some trees and animals even. They ea

[PEN-L:7198] Re: Re: jim o'connor on harvey review

Louis Proyect wrote: >Actually, after 12 hours I have achieved a certain epiphany around this >question of academic journals and publishing houses that publish Marxish >literature. This transcends my disgust with what I went through over the >Harvey article submission. Since you are a professor y

[PEN-L:7166] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Balkan confusion

Jim Devine wrote: >bombing is "the propaganda of the deed," >For Immediate Release >Sunday, May 9, 1999 > >Albright At War > >"Up until the start of the conflict, the military served to back up our >diplomacy. Now, our diplomacy serves to back u

[PEN-L:7138] Re: Re: Re: imperialism and Imperialism

Jim Devine wrote: >Of course, it's much too simplistic to views these matters in a win vs. >lose framework. True, but I get nervous when I see U.S. imperialism described as incompetent. It's been brutally, horribly successful. Doug

[PEN-L:7135] Re: imperialism and Imperialism

Jim Devine wrote: >It's pretty clear that the US/NATO war against Serbia is small-i >imperialistic, as Barkley says. And such policies can be (and often are) >incompetent; consider the history of the US war against Vietnam. Incompetent? Which part? The 2-3 million dead? The poisoning of the land

[PEN-L:7032] Re: query: CEOs' CPI

Jim Devine wrote: >does anyone know which US business magazine regularly publishes a consumer >price index for rich people? How well are these folks doing in terms of >inflation? Is there a time series of data available somewhere? Forbes, in the annual Forbes 400 ish. Doug

[PEN-L:7024] Re: Dollarization

Max Sawicky wrote: >War is a sideshow, albeit a bloody one. It allows us to go through old and >familiar motions. But finance is where the action is, IMO. Hey, Max, get in tune with the Higher Millennial Consciousness - they're two sides of the same coin! I know this is true because Thomas Frie

[PEN-L:6962] Re: Re: Re: Re: petit bourgeois

Peter Dorman wrote: >Seriously, the point is about the parallel attempts of sociobiology and >at least some forms of marxism to connect the endpoints of material and >intellectual life without working through all the mediations. (And even >then, of course, the account of "material life" is highl

[PEN-L:6899] Re: Re: RE: Old "foggies"/"fogeys"

Peter Dorman wrote: >The violence I referred to in my remark is, of course, the 20th century >bloodletting conducted in the name of Marx in order to purge "petit >bourgeois" elements. Given that calling someone a petit bourgeois has >been a sufficient basis for his or her repression and even mur

[PEN-L:6835] Re: Compensation for Mistakes?

Ken Hanly wrote: >Does NATO intend to pay any compensation to the Chinese for the >mistaken attack on its embassy? The unexploded cruises are a gift to Chinese reverse engineers. Doug

[PEN-L:6826] Re: Re: Bubble bursts finally with a vengence!

Tom Walker wrote: >APRIL CPI STILL SHOWS NO SIGNS OF WAGE-PUSH INFLATION. Quite true. The real wage growth of the last few years seems to have peaked. Real wages are still positive, year-to-year, but ebbing. Doug

[PEN-L:6779] Re: EPR, prison, interest rates

Robert Naiman wrote: >So how does the U.S. look compared to other OECD countries if you count >institutionalized adults as part of the population? Can one also account >for the role of the military? Well I was going to have a chart of international incarceration comparisons, as part of the quart

[PEN-L:6760] Re: Re: una preguntita

Tom Walker wrote: >Another factor IN >CANADA would no doubt be the substantial withdrawal of people from the >labour force over the past ten years. Most of those people would no doubt >have either been precariously employed or unemployed but instead became >simply non-employed. I haven't looked a

[PEN-L:6265] Re: Compounding folly: the Kelvinator fetish

Tom Walker wrote: >Doug is not going to like my questioning of bourgeois statistics. It's fine with me. Bourgeois economic statistics are designed to measure life under capitalism, and they do a fairly good job of it. They don't tell you anything about alienation, atomization, overwork, or ecolo

[PEN-L:6292] Re: Re: House Rejection of NATO's War Shows Power ofOpposition

Robin Hahnel wrote: >I did not see a list of who voted yes and no in the Post. Was there a >list in the NYTimes? Or can someone post an easy web address for the >vote? I'd like to see how Bernie Sanders voted, for one. I'm a bit behind and just catching up, so sorry if this was answered already.

[PEN-L:6305] Re: Re: Thanks To Michael Yates

Carrol Cox wrote: >I believe it was Nixon. It seems to me that Law Day appeared during >the Viet Nam War -- but my memory is a bit hazy. It's both Law Day and Loyalty Day. Here are the presidential proclamations. The Law Day proclamation says it was declared such in public law 87-20 in 1961; the

[PEN-L:6308] Re: Re: venting in frustration.

Rob Schaap wrote: >These new self-identifying 'left' 'radicals' (and here the scare quotes are >warranted) shall be doing as good a job at hiding the history of this - and >the fact of frantic mums scraping through smoking masonry for mutilated >infants, of commuters shrieking their lives away as

[PEN-L:6345] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Happy Days Are Here Again

J. Barkley Rosser, Jr. wrote: > Of course one can argue that if the Dems had held the >Congress in 1994 that Dole would have won in 1996... And one also has to explain why the Reps won in 1994. Doug

[PEN-L:6383] Re: Re: Re: Re: modernism

Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: >Yes, you did put quotation marks around progress in your original post as >well. What is striking about the present state of capitalist 'progress' is, >though, that capitalism seems to be to a certain extent doing away with >even the ideology of 'progress' for many parts

[PEN-L:6389] Re: Hedge-Fund Meltdown

Seth Sandronsky wrote: >I read the article below with much concern. A second Russian debt default >could make the meltdown of the Long-Term Capital Management "hedge fund" >look like a walk in the park, no? Come on, confess - you're not really worried about that, you'd kind of welcome it. No?

[PEN-L:6434] Swift

Thomas Kruse wrote: >And I just >downloaded and tried to read Swift's modest proposal (thanks to Colin Danby >for the website). I coldn´t get through it; I get the point, but it was >just too damn much. Why? But Swift wrote that in response to intense class and colonial cruelty. Why was his to

[PEN-L:6464] Re: Re: Swift

Carrol Cox wrote: >All that said, it remains one of my half dozen favorite pieces of English >prose -- but I would not recommend it as a model of agitational style. No, probably not. But the aesthetic, if you can call it that, of writing on the American left these days is just deadly, and part o

[PEN-L:6502] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Swift

Ajit Sinha wrote: >> CAMILLE PAGLIA wrote: >> "We are hierarchical animals," I declared in my first >> book. >> Rousseauist liberals and armchair leftists (like Michel Foucault) >> think >> hierarchy is imposed on free-flowing human innocence by unjust >> external >> forces, like the government a

[PEN-L:6513] Re: Re: Re: Satire & Politics

Michael Perelman wrote: >People like Chomsky and Vidal do not have a great political effect because >they >do not have access to the corporate media. As a result, the left must rely on >grassroots activism. People like them do teach the rest of us better >methods of >communicating, and in that

[PEN-L:6639] Re: Re: on econometrics

Tom Walker wrote: >Thanks for serving up yet another example of the teflon effect, Jim. The >critique has been that econometrics CAN'T show that the economic data are or >aren't "consistent with one's theory" -- especially if one's theory deals >with non-trivial issues (such as the possibility of

[PEN-L:6644] Re: Re: Re: Re: on econometrics

Michael Perelman wrote: >Nobody needed econometrics to disprove the stability. Monetarism went >into the >tank when Volcker applied it and the economy tanked. Besides, Volcker was using monetarism as a cover for his real intent, which was to jack up interest rates to 21% and create a recession

[PEN-L:6660] Re: Re: Econometrics

Jim Devine wrote: >At 10:42 PM 5/10/99 -0700, Peter D wrote: >>...We are kidding ourselves if we think that the reason there are fewer >research scandals in economics than, say, medicine is that economists are >more honest and scrupulous. ... > >One of the big scandals of the 1980s was Martin Fe

[PEN-L:6666] Re: Deadbeat America: the end of deficit hegemony?

Tom Walker wrote: >At some point in the game, the other players have to ask, "Am I just >throwing good money after bad?" The events of May 7, 1999 and after have >given the world -- not least, China -- a clear sign of the U.S. lack of good >faith. The knee-jerk response of the Clinton administrat

[PEN-L:6481] Re: Re: Re: Hahnel read du

Rod Hay wrote: >How odd to have a position on something you know nothing about. Hey, it's pretty standard practice here in the US of A. Clinton started bombing Yugoslavia before he started "reading up" on the region. Doug

[PEN-L:6382] Re: questions on modest proposals

s. The practice of shifting dirty industries to poor countries is well established. Greenpeace follows the routine stuff all over the world-German (per capita income: $20,440) plastic to Argentina ($2,160), U.S. ($20,910) mercury to South Africa ($2,470), car batteries from everywhere to

[PEN-L:6362] Happy Days Are Here Again

J. Barkley Rosser, Jr. wrote: >So, why do you think the Repugs won in 1994? Maybe >because Clinton (sort of) let gays in the military and (sort >of) proposed a reform of medical insurance (brother, why >didn't he just go for single payer and have done with it?)? I think because Clinton's first

[PEN-L:6742] Re: una preguntita

Thomas Kruse wrote: >Employment may be steady, unemployment low, but these kind of numbers >suggest a lot of turn over. I know that when I have to hustle up work, >living on year-to-year contracts as I do, it is very stressful. Sennett's >recent book illustrates how such hustling makes life pre

[PEN-L:6767] Re: Balkan Action Committee

Louis Proyect wrote: >Today's NY Times has an ad sponsored by a group calling itself the Balkans >Action Committee calling for Nato ground forces in Yugoslavia. It is signed >by an odd mixture of neoconservatives and "leftists" including Bianca >Jagger... Bianca Jagger had an editorial in a rece

[PEN-L:8604] Re: Re: (Fwd) Review of *Hegel and Marx After theFall of Communism*

Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: >I for one think that >Hegel's view of freedom and history is not just an idealist but a >nationalist and racialized one David Harvey says that Kant wrote lots of vile racist claptrap about Africa. Anyone seen that stuff? Doug

[PEN-L:8600] the right-wing ascendancy

I'm thinking of doing an article on the rise to dominance of right-wing thought in economics & social policy in the 1970s. Any PEN-Lers have any thoughts, reminiscences, etc.? Did Milton Friedman's presidency at the AEA mark some kind of turning point? Doug

[PEN-L:7694] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: China, WTO & Excess Capacity

Henry C.K. Liu wrote: >False expectations. > >Bill Rosenberg wrote: > >> Maybe a naive question but... >> >> Can someone explain to me why countries like China and Vietnam want >> to be in organisations like the WTO and APEC? My guess is that the ruling classes of these countries want to join th

[PEN-L:7820] Re: (Fwd) PROTESTS IN SUPPORT OF YUGOSLAVIA INUNITED STATES - Bor

I hate to complain, but I was already getting two copies of Sid's stuff (from his list & the Socialist Register list), and now I'm getting a third. It's all very useful, but triplicate is a bit much. DOug

[PEN-L:8084] Re: Stupid CPI and real wages question

William S. Lear wrote: >I have a stupid question regarding the CPI and real wages. My >understanding is that real wages are today essentially where they were >in about 1972 or so. I also am under the impression that "real wage" >is obtained by taking the wage and discounting by the CPI. > >One:

[PEN-L:8152] Re: Request: Summers Memo

Craven, Jim wrote: >I would appreciate it if anyone who has the original and infamous "Summers >Memo" at the World Bank would send it to me. Here's the relevant excerpt. The memo was actually written, according to John Cassidy in The New Yorker, by Lant Pritchett. Doug _Nuggets_ 3. _"Di

[PEN-L:8161] Re: California Green Party Assembly Representiverequests help

Michael Perelman wrote: >Audie Bock, the new Green Assembly representative from Cal. has a >question for us. She asked, about transit issues. She quotes: "I have >the impression that mass transit and highway planning are treated as two >separate and distinct issues. I believe that when planning

[PEN-L:8165] Re: information revolution?

Jim Devine wrote: >from SLATE magazine's "today's papers" round-up (by Scott Shuger): > >USA TODAY >leads with a Commerce Dept. study coming out today concluding >that digital business companies are driving the nation's economic growth. >The study states that computer and communication hardware,

[PEN-L:8171] Re: RE: Re: Request: Summers Memo

Craven, Jim wrote: >Well for vitriolic "poetry" embodied in the "positivist and >"free-of-'normative'-considerations calculus" of "rationality and >optimality", I can't match: > >"I think the economic logic behind dumping a load of toxic waste in the >lowest-wage country [or preferably Indian Res

[PEN-L:8202] transportation

Eugene Coyle wrote: >There is an organization in Washington, D. C., the Surface Transportation >Policy Project that is the source that Audie Bock should reach. See . Doug

[PEN-L:8208] Re: Re: Re: Re:Information revolution?

Peter Dorman wrote: >The information technology revolution is best compared to electricity, I >think. Just as electricity permitted a truly distributed power supply, >so the computer does this to information. It's hard to imagine the >radical reorganization of work and space in the twentieth ce

[PEN-L:8224] Re: Re: Summers Memo

Brad De Long wrote: >>>"I think the economic logic behind dumping a load of toxic waste in the >>>lowest-wage country is impeccable >>>and we should face up to that." >> >>The thing is that by the logic of neoclassical economics, Summers/Pritchett >>is absolutely right. It's an indictment of the

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