Re: Venture Communism/morped/ Socialism Betrayed

2004-07-19 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 7/18/2004 3:16:15 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: CB: Yes, the South started the Civil War (a counter-revolutionary coup d'etat see Aptheker) because the slave system could only survive by constantly expanding geographically ,i.e. by geographical

Venture Communism/morped/ Socialism Betrayed

2004-07-19 Thread Charles Brown
by Waistline2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: CB: Yes, the South started the Civil War (a counter-revolutionary coup d'etat see Aptheker) because the slave system could only survive by constantly expanding geographically ,i.e. by geographical extension, or extensive development. Marx discusses this in

Re: Venture Communism/morped/ Socialism Betrayed

2004-07-19 Thread Michael Perelman
This seems to have devolved into a discussion between 3 people. Maybe we can drop it now. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail michael at ecst.csuchico.edu

Venture Communism/morped/ Socialism Betrayed

2004-07-18 Thread Charles Brown
by Waistline2 Comment Socialism Betrayed - Behind the Collapse of the Soviet Union by Roger Keeran and Thomas Kenny is worth owning and reading several times. On a scale of 1 - 10 . . . I would rate it 7.5. The 2.5 which prevents it from being a 10 . . . are highly theoretical and . . . has

Re: Venture Communism/morped/ Socialism Betrayed

2004-07-18 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 7/18/2004 10:41:09 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: CB: Yep, I feel you. However, unfortunately, I am skeptical about industrial society and its bureaucracy going away, going "post". I think one could argue that it is going "super" rather than going

Venture Communism/morped/ Socialism Betrayed

2004-07-18 Thread Charles Brown
by Waistline2 Comment Post industrial is defined on the basis of that which distinguishes manufacture from industrial. ^ CB: Looking at the elements that distinguish manufacture from industrial, I wouldn't call it post because it makes it seem that he elements that distinguish industry

Re: Venture Communism/morped/ Socialism Betrayed

2004-07-18 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 7/18/2004 3:16:15 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: CB: I'd call it superindustrial, because the machines are augmented by the computers, and the machines are the "absolute" in industry and thecooperation is the "relative" term. The scattering of

Re: Venture Communism/morped/ Socialism Betrayed

2004-07-17 Thread Waistline2
I'd be interested in further comments on Keeran and Kenny's "Socialism Betrayed." I'm not sure what to think. They put a lot of emphasis on the destructive role of the black market, but it's not clear what they propose should have been done about it. (They do more or less make the claim