Re: Re: Re: Fortune on the Carlyle Group

2002-03-18 Thread Ian Murray
on the Carlyle Group I am not sure that we should side with Nextwave. They overbid and went bust. Why give the creditors a free ride? Why not resell the spectrum to a new set of vultures? Although if the funds just finance more war, then ... -- Michael Perelman Economics Department

Re: Re: Re: Re: Fortune on the Carlyle Group

2002-03-18 Thread Michael Perelman
Message - From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 9:54 PM Subject: [PEN-L:24049] Re: Re: Fortune on the Carlyle Group I am not sure that we should side with Nextwave. They overbid and went bust. Why give the creditors a free ride? Why

Re: Re: Fortune on the Carlyle Group

2002-03-18 Thread Michael Perelman
No, Charles, I meant the creditors of NextWave. The spectrum that they bought would have been forfeited by the bankruptcy. Instead, NextWave gets to keep ownership, sell it and then give the proceeds to the creditors. On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 04:37:34PM +0900, Charles Jannuzi wrote: The

Re: Fortune on the Carlyle Group

2002-03-18 Thread Charles Jannuzi
MP writes: No, Charles, I meant the creditors of NextWave. The spectrum that they bought would have been forfeited by the bankruptcy. Instead, NextWave gets to keep ownership, sell it and then give the proceeds to the creditors. I don't usually refer to such venture capitalists as

Fortune on the Carlyle Group

2002-03-17 Thread Michael Perelman
http://www.fortune.com/indexw.jhtml?channel=artcol.jhtmldoc_id=206684page=1_DARGS=%2Fartcol.jhtml.3_A_DAV=artcol.jhtml -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Fortune on the Carlyle Group

2002-03-17 Thread Carrol Cox
I have not really read much material on the Carlyle Group (or been very interested in it), but reading the Fortune piece it seems to me here is an instance where LOV as a _sociological_ rather than (merely) economic concept is useful. It looks like all they do is redistribute surplus value. And

Re: Re: Fortune on the Carlyle Group

2002-03-17 Thread Michael Perelman
Yes, your appraisal is correct. Of course, redistribution of the surplus via government spending has led to a multitude of interpretations. On Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 08:05:16PM -0600, Carrol Cox wrote: I have not really read much material on the Carlyle Group (or been very interested in it),

Re: Fortune on the Carlyle Group

2002-03-17 Thread Charles Jannuzi
What interests me about Carlyle Group is, in a way, still rather amorphous. 1. They give revolving doors an entirely new 'spin'. At first the strategy was how to benefit from the consolidation of the defense industries of the US and UK that took place from the late 1980s onward. No one took

Re: Fortune on the Carlyle Group

2002-03-17 Thread Charles Jannuzi
While CG's funds cherry pick profitable holdings and clients, it does another important type of cherry picking: head hunting through the revolving doors of DC and other government centers. It's got the former head of the World Bank, the former head of the FCC, and the former head of the SEC. I'm

Re: Fortune on the Carlyle Group

2002-03-17 Thread Charles Jannuzi
And if CG enters an area, you can be sure (1) the stakes are high, (2) they've got key insider knowledge, and (3) they know who to lobby (imagine being lobbied by your former boss with a promise of a job at a company like CG!). Anyway, it was Kennard, now at CG, when he was in charge of the FCC,

Re: Re: Fortune on the Carlyle Group

2002-03-17 Thread Michael Perelman
I am not sure that we should side with Nextwave. They overbid and went bust. Why give the creditors a free ride? Why not resell the spectrum to a new set of vultures? Although if the funds just finance more war, then ... -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University

Re: Fortune on the Carlyle Group

2002-03-17 Thread Charles Jannuzi
MP writes: I am not sure that we should side with Nextwave. They overbid and went bust. Why give the creditors a free ride? Why not resell the spectrum to a new set of vultures? Although if the funds just finance more war, then The biggest creditor is the federal government here, since