Since I have been actively involved in this issue (testimony before Senate Judiciary Committe, House Dems' opposition press conference, dozens of radio call-in programs [esp. urban minority stations], aggressive oped which received a response from the White House's National Economic Council
Yoshie:
That's no reason to give up, unless you agree with Brad, Nathan,
etc., which you don't.
Give up on what? If you'll recall from the time you were on the Marxism
list, Jose Perez explained that Marx and Engels were not always involved in
party-building. Sometimes, especially during an ebb
Lou says:
Marx and Engels were not always involved in
party-building. Sometimes, especially during an ebb in the class struggle,
they would concentrate on theorizing about the state of the movement and
what to do next.
Theorizing is absolutely important, but given the drift of the
comments on
Yoshie:
Theorizing is absolutely important, but given the drift of the
comments on American workers in some recent PEN-l posts, I'm afraid
that some Marxists are often tempted to *theorize* American workers'
revolutionary potential *out of the political window* -- unless the
Second Coming of
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From: "Yoshie Furuhashi" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Meanwhile, we work on reforms while getting out a
revolutionary message at the same time. Otherwise, we end up being
not so different from Brad, Nathan, other supporters of the
Democratic Party, except in our self image.
6, 2001 11:25 AM
Subject: [PEN-L:9524] Re: Socialism American Workers (was Re: ergonomics,
etc.)
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From: "Yoshie Furuhashi" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Meanwhile, we work on reforms while getting out a
revolutionary message at the same time. Otherwise, we
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From: "J. Barkley Rosser, Jr." [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nathan,
I've just been calling for forgetting about 2000.
But, just for the record, was it not the case that the
CPUSA actually supported voting for Gore?
Barkley Rosser
As Doug notes, essentially yes.
Even
As Doug notes, essentially yes.
Even among contemporary explicit Communists, the assertion that no real
socialist supports the Dems is almost definitionally a sectarian position -
which of course means that for all Lou calls for non-sectarianism, he
continues to promote it.
I believe you have
even China, not to mention lots of other places.
Barkley Rosser
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From: "Doug Henwood" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 3:12 PM
Subject: [PEN-L:9546] Re: Re: Re: Socialism American Workers (was Re:
ergonomics, etc.)
J. Barkl
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From: "Louis Proyect" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
As Doug notes, essentially yes.
Even among contemporary explicit Communists, the assertion that no real
socialist supports the Dems is almost definitionally a sectarian position -
which of course means that for all Lou calls
Debating who is and is not sectarian is absolutely unproductive. I would like
to hear more about the 1982 downturn compared to today. Remember how Volcker
was able to turn it around by merely loosening the monetary spigot. Will
Greenspan's rate cuts cause a turnaround in six months. What
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From: "Michael Perelman" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Debating who is and is not sectarian is absolutely unproductive. I would
like
to hear more about the 1982 downturn compared to today. Remember how
Volcker
was able to turn it around by merely loosening the monetary
CTED]
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 5:25 PM
Subject: [PEN-L:9558] Re: Re: Socialism American Workers (was Re:
ergonomics, etc.)
Debating who is and is not sectarian is absolutely unproductive. I would
like
to hear more about the 1982 downturn compared to today. Remember how
Volcker
was ab
nt: Monday, March 26, 2001 6:04 PM
Subject: [PEN-L:9570] Re: Re: Re: Re: Socialism American Workers (was Re:
ergonomics, etc.)
By all means, organize the left. I just don't think that will make much
progress organizing on an e-mail list.
Nathan Newman wrote:
Michael, seriously,
Nathan, while I disagree with your political strategy, your political work
was the key factor in stopping the California State University system from
giving away its high-tech infrastructure. Moreover, nobody should insult
you for your politics on this list.
For the life of me, I cannot figure
By all means, organize the left. I just don't think that will make much
progress organizing on an e-mail list.
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
***
Um, Seattle.
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From: "Michael Perelman" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Nathan, while I disagree with your political strategy, your political work
-was the key factor in stopping the California State University system from
-giving away its high-tech infrastructure. Moreover, nobody should
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From: "Doug Henwood" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nathan Newman wrote:
A lot of people rightly condemned the Dems in the Senate who rolled over on
the Bankruptcy Bill, but where was the discussion on designing the best
counter-propaganda against the credit card industry?
I mainly agree with you and not Doug on this, and anyway fact sheets and
bulletins and letter writing campaigns are what we have just now. We really
can do something to slow the juggernaut, if only we will. How about this, it
isn't much, but it's a bit. Nathan and I and others who track
At 3:18 PM -0600 3/25/01, Ken Hanly wrote:
As long as capitalism is able to provide a degree of prosperity for
a significant part of the working class there is almost no hope of a
left alternative to the left of Nathan and/or Brad. The valid point
in Paul's remarks is that as long as the the
Yoshie:
American workers -- even in the midst of neoliberal capitalism's best
boom times ever -- were not as comfortable as many PEN-l posters
imagine them to be (and now the boom is practically over -- we only
wonder how bad how long the coming recession will be). Therefore,
I conclude
Lou says:
Yoshie:
American workers -- even in the midst of neoliberal capitalism's best
boom times ever -- were not as comfortable as many PEN-l posters
imagine them to be (and now the boom is practically over -- we only
wonder how bad how long the coming recession will be). Therefore,
I
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