En relación a [PEN-L:1675] Re: Re: Re: Aux armes citoyens! (was,
el 10 Sep 00, a las 18:22, Brad DeLong dijo:
What makes the Marseillaise "creepy" rather than "barbarous" is that
it spends more lines making it very clear what the stakes are--liberty
vs. tyranny--than it does calling for
En relación a [PEN-L:1684] Re: Re: Re: Re: A slight advantage o,
el 10 Sep 00, a las 21:53, Brad DeLong dijo:
the US government (which
also allied with the Argentine junta until the latter came into
conflict with the UK, a more important ally).
The Argentinian Junta never was
I wrote:
the US government (which
also allied with the Argentine junta until the latter came into
conflict with the UK, a more important ally).
Brad DeLong writes:
The Argentinian Junta never was *my* ally. But during the
Malvinas/Falklands War, it was Nestor's.
If you pay attention
The Argentinian Junta never was *my* ally. But during the
Malvinas/Falklands War, it was Nestor's.
The Argentinian Junta has never been an _ally_ of the imperialists,
Brad. They were your dutiful employees, the ones who cleared the way
for you and your ilk to transform Argentina into an
Well, this has been interesting...
It started, as you remember, with Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky's report of
..."outrageous
situations such as the one I recently saw at the elegant Sargento
Cabral square.
"This square is named after a semi-mythical character of early
Argentinian history, a
Brad DeLong:
Third, I am struck by the extent to which the debate here has
recapitulated an eighteenth-century debate--admirably exposited by
Albert Hirschman in his book _the Passions and the
Interests_--between Voltaire (and others) and Edmund Burke (and
others). Voltaire maintained--as I
Hirschman's book is great. But if you look at the kind of contrasts
that doux commerce advocates tended to draw, they were between what they
saw as the innate civility of face-to-face market exchanges and what we
might *very* loosely call feudal manners -- relations of patronage and
sharp
From Brad to Nestor:
...Galtieri... discovered that in order to go ahead and win the war he had
to mobilize the most progressive forces in the country, he had to
organize a militant national front, he had to return the basic
control of economy to the hands of the State, he had to confront in
Brad wrote:
Third, I am struck by the extent to which the debate here has
recapitulated an eighteenth-century debate--admirably exposited by
Albert Hirschman in his book _the Passions and the
Interests_--between Voltaire (and others) and Edmund Burke (and
others). Voltaire maintained--as I
The book you're thinking of is LA REVOLUTION SOCIALISTE by Serge-Christophe
Kolm. I read the first half of it back when it came out. He felt that
revolutionizing production (via self-management) was more appropriate than
revolutionizing consumption (via expansion of the welfare state) -- better
Hirschman's book is great. But if you look at the kind of contrasts
that doux commerce advocates tended to draw, they were between what they
saw as the innate civility of face-to-face market exchanges and what we
might *very* loosely call feudal manners -- relations of patronage and
sharp
the US government (which
also allied with the Argentine junta until the latter came into
conflict with the UK, a more important ally).
The Argentinian Junta never was *my* ally. But during the
Malvinas/Falklands War, it was Nestor's.
Brad DeLong
En relación a [PEN-L:1475] Re: Re: A slight advantage of povert,
el 8 Sep 00, a las 7:43, Jim Devine dijo:
At 10:26 PM 09/07/2000 -0700, you wrote:
--Governments that throw people out of helicopters into the South
Atlantic have no business ruling anybody, let along waging war to
increase
From Brad to Nestor:
No, we wouldn't. We wouldn't particularly in a semicolony such as
Argentina, where the deeds of those you call "nationalist-
militaristic" were in fact deeds effected during a revolutionary war,
a war that carried the flags of the most modern ideas in the times
against
So as I said back at the beginning of this: it's much better to have
a square filled with banners from supermarkets competing to sell you
better food cheaper than one filled with statues teaching that dulce
et decorum pro patria mori...
Most country towns in Australia have a park where the
En relación a [PEN-L:1460] Re: Aux armes citoyens! (was A sligh,
el 8 Sep 00, a las 4:51, Brad De Long dijo:
Here's a song for lovers of liberty: La Marseillaise.
Yoshie
Touche...
It *has* always made me feel a little bit creepy...
Yes, of course, because it does not come from a
At 10:26 PM 09/07/2000 -0700, you wrote:
--Governments that throw people out of helicopters into the South Atlantic
have no business ruling anybody, let along waging war to increase the
number of people they rule.
what if they dump them into the South China Sea? Brad, you're threatening
to
En relación a [PEN-L:1454] Aux armes citoyens! (was A slight ad,
el 8 Sep 00, a las 3:16, Yoshie Furuhashi dijo:
Here's a song for lovers of liberty: La Marseillaise. Militant
patriotism at its most full-blooded. Nestor's description of an
Argentine nationalist icon sounds serene, with
En relación a [PEN-L:1354] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A slight,
el 6 Sep 00, a las 16:25, Brad DeLong dijo:
It is too long a story, but there has never existed a single "habit
of obedience" to those generals. Fear and hatred was what there
existed and exists. People here has never equated
En relación a [PEN-L:1399] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ,
el 7 Sep 00, a las 6:30, Brad De Long dijo:
En relación a [PEN-L:1354] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A slight, el 6
Sep 00, a las 16:25, Brad DeLong dijo:
It is too long a story, but there has never existed a single
"habit
Will you at least *think* about what the sources of the Junta's power
were, and how nationalist-militarist iconography reinforces them?
Not only I think about them, I have written lots on the issue, and
that monster you hate, nationalist-militaristic iconography, had to
do with them only in
En relación a [PEN-L:1168] Re: A slight advantage of poverty (w,
el 2 Sep 00, a las 7:49, Brad De Long dijo:
I would have thought that we would approve the replacement of
nationalist-militarist iconography--that you win honor by killing
others and dying for your hierarchical superiors
En relación a [PEN-L:1209] Re: Re: Re: A slight advantage of po,
el 3 Sep 00, a las 11:00, Brad De Long dijo:
En relación a [PEN-L:1168] Re: A slight advantage of poverty (w, el 2
Sep 00, a las 7:49, Brad De Long dijo:
I would have thought that we would approve the replacement
It is good to risk one's own life for revolution. And in the
battlefield (I ignore if you have ever had that experience, even that
of the modest battlefield of a square where your cherished and
respected political leaders, aged above 60, run to escape tear gas
and you can physically feel the
En relación a [PEN-L:1218] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A slight advanta,
el 4 Sep 00, a las 7:12, Brad De Long dijo:
It is good to risk one's own life for revolution. And in the
battlefield (I ignore if you have ever had that experience, even that
of the modest battlefield of a square where your
En relación a [PEN-L:1168] Re: A slight advantage of poverty (w,
el 2 Sep 00, a las 7:49, Brad De Long dijo:
I would have thought that we would approve the replacement of
nationalist-militarist iconography--that you win honor by killing
others and dying for your hierarchical superiors
En relación a [PEN-L:1109] Random thoughts on Big Brother, adve,
el 1 Sep 00, a las 10:56, Louis Proyect dijo:
This is what our life has become in these best of times. Big brother
in the workplace, commercials everywhere you look and war in the
hinterlands.
The ad smallpox has been
The ad smallpox has been particularly notorious (and nefarious) in
Buenos Aires since the late 1980s and (I suspect) in most large Third
World capitals. Starved to death, for example, the local city
administration (Intendencia de Buenos Aires, now pompously and
reactionarily known as Gobierno de
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