Re: RE: Re: Re: How to characterize Haider

2000-02-06 Thread Jim Devine
I wrote: The reason why there's "an odd aversion to the condemnation of to the condemnation of Haider and the Austrian's for letting this semi-fascist into government" is because you _read it into_ what I was saying (rather than actually reading what I was saying). I am totally opposed to

RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: How to characterize Haider

2000-02-06 Thread Nathan Newman
On Behalf Of Jim Devine However, you have to consider the source (and more generally put the condemnation into context). Can one trust condemnation of Haider that comes from someone like Tony Blair, who actively supported the resistible rise of the KLA/UCK in Kosovo (while imposing

Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: How to characterize Haider

2000-02-06 Thread Edwin Dickens
All this talk of evil strikes me as belonging in a religious discourse rather than in that of a social scientist, whatever the discipline. Edwin (Tom) Dickens Nathan Newman wrote: Maybe it's because I am trained as a sociologist rather than an economist, I don't reduce compensation to a

Re: How to characterize Haider

2000-02-06 Thread Nathan Newman
On Behalf Of Edwin Dickens All this talk of evil strikes me as belonging in a religious discourse rather than in that of a social scientist, whatever the discipline. I said "trained." I am not a scientist-- and social science is an oxymoron as far as I am concerned - but an activist. And

Re: How to characterize Haider

2000-02-06 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Nathan: The whole preference smacks to me of the whole "social fascism" line that helped get Hitler into power in the first place, and your echoing it in your "fascism from the air" comment just bears it out. I think that you are imagining the anti-Haider Austrians to be incapable of resisting,

RE: How to characterize Haider

2000-02-06 Thread Nathan Newman
On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Even if we all pitched in it wouldn't make any difference to the Dems, and it would have no effect except to wipe out much of whatever support exists for movement based as opposed to partisan politics. Anyway, I have long since ceased to argue with him about

Re: How to characterize Haider

2000-02-06 Thread Brad De Long
Anyway, its' time to stop the 1930s analogies. Haider is not Hitler, Austria is not Germany, and we don't have the Comintern to kick around any more. Let's get serious. Nathan isn't going to fess up--when the Democarts nominate Pat Buchanan and David Duke, he will be talking about how they are

Re: Re: How to characterize Haider

2000-02-06 Thread Michael Perelman
The Haider thread is degenerating quickly. Please stop. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: How to characterize Haider

2000-02-06 Thread Jim Devine
I wrote: However, you have to consider the source (and more generally put the condemnation into context). Can one trust condemnation of Haider that comes from someone like Tony Blair, who actively supported the resistible rise of the KLA/UCK in Kosovo (while imposing fascism-from-the-air,

Re: How to characterize Haider

2000-02-05 Thread Nathan Newman
On Behalf Of Jim Devine I want to add another point about the media. There seems to be an undercurrent -- a subtext?? -- in the news about how ethnic chauvinism by ethnic Germans is somehow scarier or worse than ethnic chauvinism by non-Germans (Israeli Jews, US whites, etc., etc.) I think

Re: Re: How to characterize Haider

2000-02-05 Thread Jim Devine
I wrote: I want to add another point about the media. There seems to be an undercurrent -- a subtext?? -- in the news about how ethnic chauvinism by ethnic Germans is somehow scarier or worse than ethnic chauvinism by non-Germans (Israeli Jews, US whites, etc., etc.) I think that this is

RE: Re: Re: How to characterize Haider

2000-02-05 Thread Nathan Newman
On Behalf Of Jim Devine Nathan wrote: Wait a second. I am not sure why there is this odd aversion to the condemnation of Haider and the Austrian's for letting this semi-fascist into government. The reason why there's "an odd aversion to the condemnation of to the condemnation of Haider