Asks Jim,
did the dominions -- and the colonies -- have any choice in this matter?
Yep, we did. The one thing about which I agree with Brad is that it was no
bad thing we went the way we did. But we've actually had the sovereignty
since 1901 to decide for ourselves whether we'd enter wars,
I asked:
did the dominions -- and the colonies -- have any choice in this matter?
Rob said:
Yep, we did. The one thing about which I agree with Brad is that it was no
bad thing we went the way we did.
yeah, I think it was good to fight Hitler, too. Too bad so many --
including the US gov't
Ken wrote:
Interesting that you should say this in a post that includes the title
Canada and Australia. I don't know about Australia but Canada joined the war
very early, in 1939 I believe.
Brad writes:
Touche... All the dominions did...
did the dominions -- and the colonies -- have any choice
After I read what follows, and which deserves no answer at all, I am
beginning to believe that I am not debating with Brad DeLong, but
with Spruille Braden DeLong. From now onwards, I will put things in
clear by addressing Mr. Braden DeLong...
En relación a [PEN-L:1685] Re: Canada, Australia
G'day Nestor and Brad,
Why do you slander the Argentinians, who were victims of Anglo-
American expoliation and thus had at least a reasonable motivation to
remain neutral, while you do not slander the Swiss or the Swedes?
Or the Americans? Whose own popular president (if you don't count the
After I read what follows, and which deserves no answer at all, I am
beginning to believe that I am not debating with Brad DeLong, but
with Spruille Braden DeLong. From now onwards, I will put things in
clear by addressing Mr. Braden DeLong...
En relación a [PEN-L:1685] Re: Canada, Australia
But Díaz Alejandro is... the ultimate sepoy, and it is
not a matter of chance that, in the economic circles of the United
States of America, the Braden DeLongs consider his 600 page long
bunch of half-muttered hardly digerible stupidities a "standard book"
on Argentina.
To argue that the
At 10:25 PM 9/10/00 -0700, you wrote:
Any Labor government--hell, *any* democratic government or *any*
left-of-center non-democratic government--would have been eager to join
the war against Hitler. Peron was not--hence the classification of his
regime as "fascist South American overgrowth"
so you believe that Eldridge Cleaver's old dictum that "if you're
not part of the solution, you're part of the problem"? So the fact
that the US was "neutral" against the Spanish fascists during the
Civil War there indicates that the US was semi-fascist?
Lots of people refused to aid or
Interesting that you should say this in a post that includes the title
Canada and Australia. I don't know about Australia but Canada joined the war
very early, in 1939 I believe.
Cheers, Ken Hanly
In fact, all countries except for two either (i) waited for Hitler to
bring the war to them, or
Lots of people refused to aid or tried to harm the Loyalist cause
during the Spanish Civil War (including, IMO, the Soviet Union--much
more interested in smashing Trotskyism than in defeating Franco).
IIRC, only four governments--Switzerland, Sweden, Franco's Spain, and
Peron's Argentina--had
Shane Mage quotes Brad DeLong:
Lots of people refused to aid or tried to harm the Loyalist cause
during the Spanish Civil War (including, IMO, the Soviet Union--much
more interested in smashing Trotskyism than in defeating Franco).
IIRC, only four governments--Switzerland, Sweden, Franco's
Jim D. wrote:
At 10:25 PM 9/10/00 -0700, you wrote:
Any Labor government--hell, *any* democratic government or *any*
left-of-center non-democratic government--would have been eager to
join the war against Hitler. Peron was not--hence the
classification of his regime as "fascist South American
Shane Mage quotes Brad DeLong:
Lots of people refused to aid or tried to harm the Loyalist cause
during the Spanish Civil War (including, IMO, the Soviet Union--much
more interested in smashing Trotskyism than in defeating Franco).
IIRC, only four governments--Switzerland, Sweden,
Interesting that you should say this in a post that includes the title
Canada and Australia. I don't know about Australia but Canada joined the war
very early, in 1939 I believe.
Cheers, Ken Hanly
Touche... All the dominions did...
Brad DeLong
--
J. Bradford DeLong
Professor of
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From: Brad DeLong [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 9:53 PM
Subject: [PEN-L:1791] Re: Re: Canada, Australia, Argentina
Interesting that you should say this in a post that includes the title
Canada and Australia. I don't know about Australia but Canada
Hi again, Nestor,
This is EXACTLY what Peronism attempted to do here, and failed.
Funny to see again how different are things in an imperialist country
and in a colony. In more senses than one, Peronism, which is widely
known outside Argentina (and particularly in the United States) as a
Bill Rosenberg wrote:
New Zealand was probably more successful than Australia until the UK
joined the EU (and both countries began to lose their
privileged access to the UK market), and less successful since then,
showing the weakness and essentially dependent nature of its bourgeoisie.
En relación a [PEN-L:1549] Re: Re: Re: Canada, Australia, Argen,
el 10 Sep 00, a las 3:37, Rob Schaap dijo:
Australia, too, consciously nourished its (relative) independence,
largely through mutually constitutive ties between Australia's
government and bourgeoisie - ensuring that the
En relación a [PEN-L:1490] Re: Canada, Australia, Argentina,
el 8 Sep 00, a las 10:22, Bill Burgess dijo:
However, by the mid 1980s the US-controlled share of all non-financial
industres in Canada declined to levels below the post-WW2 buildup (the
US share has risen slightly since
Bill, Paul and Nestor are very much on to something, I think. Australia,
too, consciously nourished its (relative) independence, largely through
mutually constitutive ties between Australia's government and bourgeoisie -
ensuring that the latter would not serve as a compradorial local elite for
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En relación a [PEN-L:1490] Re: Canada, Australia, Argentina,
el 8 Sep
En relación a [PEN-L:1553] Re: Re: Re: Canada, Australia, Argen,
el 9 Sep 00, a las 12:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] dijo:
Nestor and Bill,
Let me reiterate my main point which I take you both would either
agree with or at least accept as a reasonable argument.
Dear Phillip,
I do not consider
En relación a [PEN-L:1553] Re: Re: Re: Canada, Australia, Argen,
el 9 Sep 00, a las 12:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] dijo:
It is for this reason or in this context that I say the Canadian
economy is dependent. And I agree that this is a very different form
of dependency that Frank argues for
En relación a [PEN-L:1549] Re: Re: Re: Canada, Australia, Argen,
el 10 Sep 00, a las 3:37, Rob Schaap dijo:
Australia, too, consciously nourished its (relative) independence,
largely through mutually constitutive ties between Australia's
government and bourgeoisie - ensuring that the latter
I agree with Paul and Nestor's point about the difference in class
structure, and Paul's work on Canada's WW1 financing is an excellent
illustration of the consolidation of an indigenous bourgeoisie.
Nestor, I think, has put his finger on the critical difference -- neither
Canada nor Australia
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