Re: Re: Cops from Cacak play key role in Kostunica coup

2000-10-10 Thread Louis Proyect
Could you explain how this article supports your position? Doug I have long ago told you that I was not in the business of answering these kinds of questions, Doug. I have made my position clear in thousands of words posted to PEN-L. If they are not clear to you at this point, no further

Re: Re: Re: Cops from Cacak play key role in Kostunica coup

2000-10-10 Thread Doug Henwood
Louis Proyect wrote: Could you explain how this article supports your position? Doug I have long ago told you that I was not in the business of answering these kinds of questions, Doug. I have made my position clear in thousands of words posted to PEN-L. If they are not clear to you at this

Re: Re: Cops from Cacak play key role in Kostunica coup

2000-10-10 Thread Louis Proyect
So this article indicates that Milosevic's fall was internally generated, by his brutality and by his corruption. Yes, outside funding and pressure pushed the situation towards his removal, but this article posted by Louis shows how clearly Milosic's legitimacy had collapsed even among his

Re: Re: Cops from Cacak play key role in Kostunica coup

2000-10-10 Thread Louis Proyect
Doug Henwood: Cops and citizens joined in seeing the regime as massively corrupt. If this comports with socialism, maybe I'm not a socialist after all. Actually, there are different kinds of socialism. There is Marxian socialism and then there is the socialism that is either indifferent to or

Re: Re: Re: Cops from Cacak play key role in Kostunica coup

2000-10-10 Thread JKSCHW
Right, nothing could help. By Lou's reasoning, the involvement of units of the Czarist military in the Bolshevik revolution supports the idea that it was an imperialiast coup inspired by German military intelligence. Actuslly there is rather more support for that notion than the idea that Lou

Re: Re: Re: Cops from Cacak play key role in Kostunica coup

2000-10-10 Thread Doug Henwood
Louis Proyect wrote: Who is Driscoll? Some postmodernist scribbler? The excellent Catherine Driscoll, an Australian feminist and cult stud scholar. She once said she wasn't finished with a paper because she hadn't yet figured out what questions to ask her answers. I've incorporated this

Re: Re: Cops from Cacak play key role in Kostunica coup

2000-10-10 Thread Louis Proyect
Right, nothing could help. By Lou's reasoning, the involvement of units of the Czarist military in the Bolshevik revolution supports the idea that it was an imperialiast coup inspired by German military intelligence. Actuslly there is rather more support for that notion than the idea that Lou is

Re: Re: Cops from Cacak play key role in Kostunica coup

2000-10-10 Thread Louis Proyect
The excellent Catherine Driscoll, an Australian feminist and cult stud scholar. She once said she wasn't finished with a paper because she hadn't yet figured out what questions to ask her answers. I've incorporated this formula into my philosophy of life. Doug Oh. Here's my philosophy: This

Re: Re: Re: Cops from Cacak play key role in Kostunica coup

2000-10-10 Thread Nathan Newman
- Original Message - From: "Louis Proyect" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Again, I have to remind Nathan that as a Marxist I use different terminology than him. For me a revolution involves progressive transformation of property relations, such as took place in the American

Re: Re: Re: Cops from Cacak play key role in Kostunica coup

2000-10-10 Thread Jim Devine
At 04:15 PM 10/10/00 -0400, you wrote: Again, I have to remind Nathan that as a Marxist I use different terminology than him. For me a revolution involves progressive transformation of property relations, such as took place in the American Civil War or October 1917. In Yugoslavia, we are dealing

Re: Re: Cops from Cacak play key role in Kostunica coup

2000-10-10 Thread Louis Proyect
Might not the upsurge against Kostunica be considered as a speeding-up of the process that Milosevic started, i.e., the privatization of state property in Serbia? it also would be a broadening of the transformation of property rights, since the beneficiaries of the privatization would no