Re: Re: Re: 8 Eurocentric Historians

2000-09-27 Thread JKSCHW
How to determine whether someone is one the major historians: There is a book called The Brenner Debate, with articles and responses discussing B's thesis about the rise of capitalism. If the people in your field name a major debate after you, such that it can be referred to by just your name,

Re: Re: Re: Re: 8 Eurocentric Historians

2000-09-27 Thread Michael Perelman
I don't think that Justin's test should be accepted uncritically. Weren't there debates about the Bell Curve? His test might have been somewhat valid in the past -- perhaps even in the time of the Brenner Debate -- but now with big $$$ promoting hacks . [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 8 Eurocentric Historians

2000-09-27 Thread Jim Devine
I wrote: Brenner clearly went out on a limb to attack the D-of-U school. And Blaut attacks back, also going out on a limb. I won't say which of these two has higher levels of scholarship. It seems to me that both "bend the stick" a little too far in an effort to make it straight (i.e., the

Re: Re: Re: 8 Eurocentric Historians

2000-09-27 Thread Jim Devine
Louis writes: Yeah, there's a new Brenner debate goin' on as well. Mostly people refuting his NLR article on the imminent collapse of capitalism, just as they refuted his earlier articles claiming some kind of privileged status for the rise of capitalism in Great Britain. Brenner didn't claim

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 8 Eurocentric Historians

2000-09-27 Thread JKSCHW
OK, maybe there is something wrong with the Big Name structure of academia: I wouldn't dispute that. Part of my point is that Brenner is a Big Name. Not all Big Names are any good: I know lots who aren't. But Brenner is a Big Name who is first rate. part of the way you can tell this is that he

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 8 Eurocentric Historians

2000-09-27 Thread Jim Devine
I thought my conclusion was obvious, so that I didn't have to say it. Maybe I'd choose Brenner over Blaut on one specific issue (say, the underdevelopment issue). But I'd never rank them in general terms. Maybe one is right about one issue, but the other is right about another. More likely,

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 8 Eurocentric Historians

2000-09-27 Thread Jim Devine
I have an additional point: one can't rank different people in terms of "scholarship," since there are different kinds of scholarship for different purposes. Someone who's trying to argue for a very specific point of history will mobilize all sorts of primary sources. On the other hand,

Re: Re: Re: Re: 8 Eurocentric Historians

2000-09-26 Thread JKSCHW
In a message dated 9/26/00 6:12:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Brenner clearly went out on a limb to attack the D-of-U school. And Blaut attacks back, also going out on a limb. I won't say which of these two has higher levels of scholarship. It seems to me that both