Michael,
I can't give you the contribution to wage income, but I can give
some perspective on how important it was to overall income vis a
vis Jugoslavia's overall external financial commitment.
Ratios of Worker Remittances to Interest Payments in Yugoslavia's
Current Account
Year
I don't think it is ahistorical to deal with the limits of the
possible. Most utopian socialists today are activists. And in fact, I
doubt that in the immediate issues, what we are fighting for today
Albert and Hahel, Justin, and Michael Perlman would find much to
disagree about. But if you
Gar wrote:
I don't think it is ahistorical to deal with the limits of the
possible. Most utopian socialists today are activists.
I am sorry, Gar. This is not a question of activist credibility. This is
not why I object to Looking Forward. It is about how socialism can be
achieved. I believe
From: Carl Remick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ralph Waldo Emerson, ... criticizing the utopianism of Charles Fourier,
said in part ...
Michael Perelman asked offlist about the source of that quote. It's from
Emerson's essay Fourierism and the Socialists -- text at
On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Carl Remick wrote:
Ralph Waldo Emerson, ... criticizing the utopianism of Charles Fourier,
said in part ...
While we're putting down Utopians, this reminds me of one of my favorite
Keynes quotes, about Bertrand Russell:
Bertie in particular sustained simultaneously a
A stuff toother is slang for potlatch.
Gene
Louis Proyect wrote:
This isn't a market, unless any system that responds to demand is a market.
In which case any but the most obtuse sort of planning is a market system.
It's not what any market socialist means by a market. What we mean is that
I've never met anyone so dumb as to claim the fact that the Second
International did *no* thinking about what society would look like
after the revolution played a role in opening the way for Stalin.
Until now...
I have not been a part of this thread and tend to generally avoid these
kinds
The observation that the post-1918 Bolshevik Party had no clue what
kind of society it should be building--and that that was a big source
of trouble--is not red-baiting. It's a commonplace.
I've never met anyone so dumb as to claim the fact that the Second
International did *no* thinking
I wrote: "let's you and him fight!" -- is this an effort to divide and conquer
(what's
left of) the left?
quoth Brad, in his wisdom:
No. It's an attempt to *think* about the future.
If you want to make not thinking about the future a virtue, go ahead...
Michael, is the above calculated to
"let's you and him fight!" -- is this an effort to divide and
conquer (what's left of) the
left?
-- Jim
Devine
No. It's an attempt to *think* about the future.
If you want to make not thinking about the future a virtue, go ahead...
Jim Devine:
In fact, I think that Lenin did a lot of thinking about how socialism
should be organized,
in his STATE AND REVOLUTION. I'm sure this attitude was shared by other
Bolsheviks,
especially as they found that power was in their hands.
Yes, Lenin did a lot of thinking about how socialism
Louis writes: I don't think such talk [about how socialism is to be run] among people
like us does very much good. It is much better to figure out how to deal with immediate
questions such as deregulation, the stock market, IMF austerity, etc. At least on
questions such as these, we can exchange
Jim Devine:
automatical sent to the trash can.) But just because you're not interested
in a topic
doesn't mean that pen-l can't discuss it. As far as I can tell, the only
person who has
that kind of say is Michael Perelman.
Actually, I think that Michael just said that the topic has been done
Jim Devine:
BTW, what type of people _should_ be discussing issues of how socialism
should be run?
Don't you think a bunch of professional economists and
economically-literate folks could
add something?
Naw, it can wait.
Louis Proyect
Friends,
I am not writing this to pour
Thanks.
Okay, Michael. I will, but a blatant misrepresentation of what I had said, added to
several posts attacking my intelligence finally got to me.
I'm calm, really I am. Real calm. Maybe a good game of basketball would help me. And
my next softball game isn't until thursday.
Rod
In a message dated 7/16/00 11:02:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have read Schweickart, but you do us all a service by summarizing his
work so
well. Let's look at (1). Some cooperatives do better than others. Now
comes
time to replace a worker. What is the
In a message dated 7/16/00 1:45:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This is a very helpful post. Is there anywhere on line where one could
read up on
the essential features of market socialism etc.
Don't know, alas. I'd order Dave's book, in paperback from Westview Press.
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