[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Throw out all the plans and kick the people in the ass so that we might
live to see another day was Mr. Stalin's program of industrial
development. Was this the wrong program for the times?
Of course it was wrong. Socialism has to be based on science. When you
throw
In a message dated 12/9/02 8:23:37 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Real life proved how senseless the plan was. Kuibyshev had recklessly
predicted that costs would go down, meanwhile they went up: although the
plan allocated 22 billion rubles for industry, transportation and
Michael Perelman wrote:
United Airlines does not seem to be a clean test of market socialism.
Workers got nominal ownership and three seats on the board. Even so, the
article that Lou posted was correct in asserting that that the worker
owned firms would have to follow market laws and
Let's not rehash that one.
On Mon, Dec 09, 2002 at 10:36:39AM -0600, Carrol Cox wrote:
I don't believe market socialism would work,
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Carrol Cox wrote:
I don't believe market socialism would work, but it is childish to
suggest that the debacle at United Airlines proves anything about
anything (or even provides evidence for any particular thesis).
Does so. Does so.
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Title: RE: [PEN-L:32909] Re: Re: United Airlines and market socialism
Michael Perelman writes: United Airlines does not seem to be a clean test of market socialism. Workers got nominal ownership and three seats on the board.
it's more of a clean test of the idea of worker-financed bail-outs
Title: RE: [PEN-L:32909] Re: Re: United Airlines and market socialism
Yes, it is a worker-financed bailout with a hint of "lemon socialism," where
the state (as in Britain) or the workers in the U.S. version, get an ineffectual
toehold in a business that is sure to lose money.
Devine, James wrote:
Marx actually suggested both (1) that huge capitalist firms represented
an abolition of capitalism within capitalism (see chapter 27 of volume
III of CAPITAL, p. 438 of the International Publishers' edition)
But that is only a reference to capitalism as it functioned in
AM
Subject: [PEN-L:32921] Re: Re: : United Airlines and market socialism
If I knew you had rejoined PEN-L in order to find
some pretext to defend
Market Socialism, I never would have posted that. I
am bending over
backwards to keep Michael Perelman happy by not
provoking
ken hanly wrote:
Are we to understand that Andie is a reborn Justin?
Welcome back...
Cheers, Ken Hanly (yet to be born again anything)
P.S. What exactly does nachgeborenen mean?
huh? isnt that your pun? it means born again, doesnt it? what am i
missing? what does 'andie' mean?
--- ken hanly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Are we to understand that Andie is a reborn Justin?
Welcome back...
Cheers, Ken Hanly (yet to be born again anything)
P.S. What exactly does nachgeborenen mean?
Yes, it's me. An die Nachgeborenen means To Those Born
Later. It's the title of a
Andie joined some time ago, well before the post in question.
On Mon, Dec 09, 2002 at 11:01:19AM -0800, andie nachgeborenen wrote:
If I knew you had rejoined PEN-L in order to find
some pretext to defend
Market Socialism, I never would have posted that. I
am bending over
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