Re: Re: Re: Re: Rentier's hoarding ?

2000-03-25 Thread Michael Perelman
I think that all of this agreement about the cause of the Japanese depression. Japan used macroeconomic policies to prop the economy up in the wake of the oil shocks, leading to rapid accumulation and a wild run-up in land prices. Finally the overhang caught up with Japan. I would like to add

Re: Re: Re: Rentier's hoarding ?

2000-03-25 Thread Jim Devine
At 02:00 PM 3/24/00 -0500, you wrote: I said I thought Japan looked to be in the throes of a classic overaccumulation/profitability crisis. For decades, state policy and the financial/governance structure permitted firms to invest to gain market share without paying much attention to ROI. Now

Re: Re: Re: Re: Rentier's hoarding ?

2000-03-25 Thread Christian A. Gregory
Doug is suggesting that the problem _might_ be solved the good old Maggie Thatcher or Attila the Hun way, imposing a shake-out that drives out the weakling capitalists and imposing wage cuts, deunionization, etc. on the working class. This would raise the rate of profit and eventually

Re: Re: Re: ? Rentier's hoarding ?

2000-03-24 Thread Ellen Frank
Barney writes: ... the question is, does anyone still hoard? There are plenty of virtually risk free, short term financial instruments. The municipal bond market seems pretty damn liquid these days. And for those of us of more modest means, there are interest bearing checking accounts.

Re: Re: Re: Re: ? Rentier's hoarding ?

2000-03-24 Thread Christian A. Gregory
Keynes called this situation a liquidity trap and felt this was a good argument for fiscal policy and government investment programs. Unlike private firms, the federal government can finance long-term projects with short-term debt. Ellen How do you think the situation in Japan reflects

Re: Re: Rentier's hoarding ?

2000-03-24 Thread Michael Perelman
I think that we could say that Keynes was right as far as he went. Japan is probably is good example of a liquidity trap as you can get. The problem is that Keynes didn't go very far. The liquidity trap is fairly reflection of the psychological state of investors. Unfortunately, he does not

Re: Re: Re: Rentier's hoarding ?

2000-03-24 Thread Ellen Frank
I don't really understand the situation in Japan, but I found the article in the most recent New Left Review by Taggart very interesting. Bill Tabb wrote a very illuminating piece on Japan for Dollars and Sense last year, as well. Taggart argued (I think) that the analytical categories of

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ? Rentier's hoarding ?

2000-03-24 Thread Ted Winslow
Title: Re: [PEN-L:17381] Re: Re: Re: Re: ? Rentier's hoarding ? Re the relevance of Keynes's idea of the liquidity trap for an analysis of the current situation in Japan. For reaons Keynes himself gives, the functioning of psychological factors in Japan is likely to differ in important ways

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Rentier's hoarding ?

2000-03-24 Thread Ellen Frank
Christian writes: There are also significant risks to this strategy, if taken seriously. If such "restructuring" were to provoke a more general banking / financial system crisis, Japanese would dump all those dollars, bonds, and dollar-denominated assets that it holds, which could spell the end

Re: Re: ? Rentier's hoarding ?

2000-03-23 Thread Jim Devine
Barney writes: ... the question is, does anyone still hoard? There are plenty of virtually risk free, short term financial instruments. The municipal bond market seems pretty damn liquid these days. And for those of us of more modest means, there are interest bearing checking accounts.

Re: Re: Re: ? Rentier's hoarding ?

2000-03-23 Thread Barnet Wagman
I'd say that instead of hoarding, what can happen today is that the illiquidity premium goes up (relative to cash), so that the illiquid assets have to pay more for tying up one's assets (as people get wary about capital losses on such assets). In this case, most people's portfolios would