Re: Re: Re: Zizek, Stalin and Bukharin

2000-01-31 Thread Joel Blau
"Tendentious" means that from the outset, the conclusions are overdetermined. "Different" opinions may well be labeled sectarian and biased, but the best way to defuse the charge is to build up the narrative tension in the text by fairly and completely describing other positions. Then, when you

Re: Re: Zizek, Stalin and Bukharin

2000-01-31 Thread Doug Henwood
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: I'm looking forward to the PEN-L econ textbook, but no doubt some of my students will find it "biased." The ruling ideas are in the interest of the ruling class, and those who go against common sense have to be prepared for a charge of "bias" and "tendentiousness."

Re: Re: Zizek, Stalin and Bukharin

2000-01-31 Thread Brad De Long
OK, if Lou wants to think of me as an anticommunist cold-warrior in the neighorhood of the Reaganites, that is his right. --Justin Don't take it too hard. He thinks I'm a libertarian troll... :-) Brad DeLong

Re: Zizek, Stalin and Bukharin

2000-01-31 Thread Doug Henwood
Louis Proyect wrote: No surprise here, Justin. We've been through this in previous go-rounds. You are a supporter of Sam Farber's approach, who argues that there's a dotted line between Lenin and Stalin. Zizek's arguments would appeal to somebody whose understanding of the Russian Revolution is

Re: Zizek, Stalin and Bukharin

2000-01-30 Thread Doug Henwood
Louis Proyect wrote: Part of every student's cold war indoctrination at my high school in upstate New York in the 1950s was Arthur Koestler's "Darkness at Noon." We were told that the novel, in which an "old Bolshevik" confesses to crimes he did not commit for the sake of the revolution, was

Re: Zizek, Stalin and Bukharin

2000-01-30 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Louis Proyect wrote: Part of every student's cold war indoctrination at my high school in upstate New York in the 1950s was Arthur Koestler's "Darkness at Noon." We were told that the novel, in which an "old Bolshevik" confesses to crimes he did not commit for the sake of the revolution, was

Re: Re: Zizek, Stalin and Bukharin

2000-01-30 Thread JKSCHW
I, personally, was delighted and amazed by Zizek's article, rather to my own astonishment, as I have never been able to read anything else he had written. You wouldn't knbwo it from Lou's comment, but the article is a review essay of J. Arch Getty's The Road to Terror, which I have not read

Re: Re: Re: Zizek, Stalin and Bukharin

2000-01-30 Thread michael
I hope that we do not let this degenerate into a debate about Stalin. We have already been through that. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Zizek, Stalin and Bukharin

2000-01-30 Thread Michael Perelman
Please, let's not debate Stalin and the Russian Revolution. We've been through it before. Louis Proyect wrote: Justin Schwartz wrote: I, personally, was delighted and amazed by Zizek's article, rather to my own astonishment, as I have never been able to read anything else he had written.

Re: Zizek, Stalin and Bukharin

2000-01-30 Thread JKSCHW
In a message dated 00-01-30 20:51:25 EST, you write: You are a supporter of Sam Farber's approach, who argues that there's a dotted line between Lenin and Stalin. Zizek's arguments would appeal to somebody whose understanding of the Russian Revolution is consistent with Robert Conquest's and

Re: Re: Zizek, Stalin and Bukharin

2000-01-30 Thread Doug Henwood
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: The Oxford English Dictionary says that the word "tendentious" means "having a purposed tendency; composed or written with such a tendency or aim." Given this meaning, why should the word "tendentious" be used as if it meant something (vaguely) bad? Because the

Re: Zizek, Stalin and Bukharin

2000-01-30 Thread Doug Henwood
Louis Proyect wrote: No surprise here, Justin. We've been through this in previous go-rounds. You are a supporter of Sam Farber's approach, who argues that there's a dotted line between Lenin and Stalin. Zizek's arguments would appeal to somebody whose understanding of the Russian Revolution is

Re: Re: Zizek, Stalin and Bukharin

2000-01-30 Thread michael
This discussion is starting to get catty. I would like it to stop right now. I think that we can do better than going over Stalin, the Russian rev., and the like. Please stop, all of you. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321

Re: Re: Zizek, Stalin and Bukharin

2000-01-30 Thread Carrol Cox
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: Having a perspective or "a purposed tendency" is not only _not_ a crime against truth, accuracy, etc.; a "bias" is _necessary_. For as long almost as long as I've been on any of these lists, I've argued against *both* Doug and Lou that "dogmatic" and "sectarian"