Re: Tariq Ali on the US election

2004-08-07 Thread Carl Remick
From: Yoshie Furuhashi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Before getting to the point of actually being able to split the Democratic and Republican Parties, we need an intermediate goal: do what we can to make the next POTUS a weak president, rather than a strong one. To do so, we need to decrease the shares of

Tariq Ali on the US election

2004-08-07 Thread Charles Brown
by Shane Mage No, its garden-variety Pabloism. war in Iraq...is very much a neocon agenda, dominated by the need to get the oil and appease the Israelis. (as if Kerry wasn't gung-ho to appease the Isrealis!) ^^ Next thing you know we'll be quoting the Protocols. Just kidding ! Charles

Re: Tariq Ali on the US election

2004-08-07 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
From: Yoshie Furuhashi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Before getting to the point of actually being able to split the Democratic and Republican Parties, we need an intermediate goal: do what we can to make the next POTUS a weak president, rather than a strong one. To do so, we need to decrease the shares of

Re: Tariq Ali on the US election

2004-08-07 Thread Carl Remick
From: Yoshie Furuhashi [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Yoshie Furuhashi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Before getting to the point of actually being able to split the Democratic and Republican Parties, we need an intermediate goal: do what we can to make the next POTUS a weak president, rather than a strong one. To

Re: Tariq Ali on the US election

2004-08-07 Thread Michael Hoover
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/07/04 1:25 AM Before getting to the point of actually being able to split the Democratic and Republican Parties, we need an intermediate goal: do what we can to make the next POTUS a weak president, rather than a strong one. To do so, we need to decrease the shares of

Re: Tariq Ali on the US election

2004-08-07 Thread Michael Hoover
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/07/04 1:27 PM Actually, Bush was a weak president until 9/11/01: a big inauguration protest, Enron, unimpressive ratings, etc. According to Fox, for instance, Bush's approval rating during 1/24-25/01 was a mere 46%! Yoshie pre-9/11: congress passed major bush tax cut,

Tariq Ali on the US election

2004-08-06 Thread Marvin Gandall
(The following is from Doug Henwood's LBO-list. I may have missed Doug also posting it here. If so, my apologies for duplicating it. But a case can be made for reading Tariq Ali's comments twice. Ali, the radical British political commentator and playwright, has IMO succinctly grasped what is

Re: Tariq Ali on the US election

2004-08-06 Thread Louis Proyect
Marvin Gandall wrote: (The following is from Doug Henwood's LBO-list. I may have missed Doug also posting it here. If so, my apologies for duplicating it. But a case can be made for reading Tariq Ali's comments twice. Ali, the radical British political commentator and playwright, has IMO

Re: Tariq Ali on the US election

2004-08-06 Thread Michael Perelman
I don't see any more reason to demonize ABB people than to demonize Nader people. Both sides see themselves as promoting the left albeit by different routes. On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 09:05:05PM -0400, Louis Proyect wrote: Despite my problems with State Capitalist ideology, I feel much more of

Re: Tariq Ali on the US election

2004-08-06 Thread Louis Proyect
Michael Perelman wrote: I don't see any more reason to demonize ABB people than to demonize Nader people. Both sides see themselves as promoting the left albeit by different routes. I am sorry, Michael. This is not demonizing: Frankly, I consider the ABB phenomenon to be almost unparalleled on the

Re: Tariq Ali on the US election

2004-08-06 Thread Michael Perelman
Good people disagree on the Nader/Kerry decision. I think that we all know the rationale for each choice. I don't think that either side comes out well, if you only look at what some of their supporters have done -- denying Nader his right to run through dirty tricks or cavorting with the right.

Re: Tariq Ali on the US election

2004-08-06 Thread Carrol Cox
Marvin Gandall wrote: (The following is from Doug Henwood's LBO-list. I may have missed Doug also posting it here. If so, my apologies for duplicating it. But a case can be made for reading Tariq Ali's comments twice. Ali, the radical British political commentator and playwright, has IMO

Re: Tariq Ali on the US election

2004-08-06 Thread Shane Mage
Louis Proyect on Tariq Ali: this is Browderism raised to the level of art. No, its garden-variety Pabloism. war in Iraq...is very much a neocon agenda, dominated by the need to get the oil and appease the Israelis. (as if Kerry wasn't gung-ho to appease the Isrealis!)

Re: Tariq Ali on the US election

2004-08-06 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
TA: We're talking about the government which took the United States to war. Had Gore been elected, he would have gone to war in Afghanistan, but I doubt he would have gone to war in Iraq. This is very much a neocon agenda, dominated by the need to get the oil and appease the Israelis. Washington