Re: Re: Re: Re: re: Sen on Famine

2003-03-03 Thread soula avramidis
look sir democracy is not some universal to which history ascribes itself. it is pushed down the throat of the 3d world in a matter of convenience. think of chavez and others. andie nachgeborenen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I may be too ideolological but i have always ridiculed Sen's notion of

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: re: Sen on Famine

2003-03-03 Thread andie nachgeborenen
soula avramidis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: look sir democracy is not some universal to which history ascribes itself. it is pushed down the throat of the 3d world in a matter of convenience. think of chavez and others. I have no idea what you mean. I never said democracy was some "to which

Re: Re: re: Sen on Famine

2003-03-02 Thread soula avramidis
If sen's argument was formal then one oddity as it is, wouldinvalidate his argument. if it was a general observation then that does not constitute theory since it does not explain moving from one state of things to another. it would be merely a descriptive of the general, and that is no theory.

Re: Re: Re: re: Sen on Famine

2003-03-02 Thread ravi
soula avramidis wrote: If sen's argument was formal then one oddity as it is, wouldinvalidate his argument. how many accepted theories would stand up to this rigourous test, especially as we move away from the hard sciences? --ravi

Re: Re: Re: re: Sen on Famine

2003-03-02 Thread andie nachgeborenen
I may be too ideolological but i have always ridiculed Sen's notion of democracy as some form of neo liberal hogwash. Neoliberalism puts no particular value on democracy. democracy without working class rule appears in his writing as some abstarct freedom notion devoid of real substance. Not at

Re: re: Sen on Famine

2003-03-01 Thread andie nachgeborenen
Yes, the article was interesting. But even if there IS famine in India, it does not necessarily invalidate the Sen thesis. Sen's point is that in general, famines have been caused by lack of responsiveness to public needs, which is something undemocratic states are generally worse on than

Re: Re: re: Sen on Famine

2003-03-01 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: andie nachgeborenen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes, the article was interesting. But even if there IS famine in India, it does not necessarily invalidate the Sen thesis. Sen's point is that in general, famines have been caused by lack of responsiveness to public

Re: Re: Re: re: Sen on Famine

2003-03-01 Thread Michael Perelman
This exchange, together with Jim's remark, remind us that there are different kinds of democracies. Sen touched on this in comparing Keralla with other states in India, but he never followed up by showing the antagonism means neoliberalism and the kind of democracy that Ian and Jim suggest. A

re: Sen on Famine

2003-03-01 Thread Michael Perelman
The article was very interesting. I believe that Brad de Long was arguing on pen-l about how well India was doing. My take was that heaping up riches at the top was impoverishing the bottom. In addition, the article suggests the ways that India's marketization has made the poor more vulnerable.

Re: Re: Re: Re: re: Sen on Famine

2003-03-01 Thread soula avramidis
I may be too ideolological but i have always ridiculed Sen's notion of democracy as some form of neo liberal hogwash. democracy without working class rule appears in his writing as some abstarct freedom notion devoid of real substance.in an interview about food secrurity a year ago, ramsey clark