At 06/02/03 01:12 +, Alois wrote:
I look at PEN-L and all I see are a bunch of LIBERALS from universities
whose economic schemes all seem to involve big government coming in to
enact their redistributionist schemes. I see a lot of talk about
economics, including the discredited Marx.
so, what kind of business is the catholic church?
hmmm! webster's unabridged dictionary says:
Liberal \Liber*al\:
- Free by birth; refined; noble; independent; free;
not servile or mean;
- Bestowing in a large and noble way, as a freeman;
generous; bounteous; open-handed;
Title: RE: [PEN-L:34374] PEN-L equals redistributionist LIBERALS
Alois writes:
#1 For all your carping about business, businesses CREATE JOBS. People
would be out of work if business did not create jobs for them.
-- why is it that JOBS are so important? why is it that people want THEM so
Well, thank god someone -- Chris Burford -- got to the point:
whether left wing political economy should primarily be about
fairer distribution.
In emphasizing liberalism with his caps -- redistributionist
LIBERALS -- Alois was right.
Andrew Kliman
someone -- Chris Burford -- got to the point:
whether left wing political economy should primarily be about
fairer distribution.
In emphasizing liberalism with his caps -- redistributionist
LIBERALS -- Alois was right.
Andrew Kliman
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Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California
On Thursday, February 6, 2003 at 07:49:04 (-0800) Michael Perelman writes:
I am not sure that distribution should be at the center. An auto worker
with 30 hours of overtime makes a good wage, but probably does not lead a
good life. Marx said that all economics comes down to the economics of
Title: RE: [PEN-L:34395] redistributionist liberals
I worry about how a big chunk of workers' effort (surplus-labor) is redistributed to another part of the population simply because the latter (with the blessing protection of the state) control the means of production and the ability
Alois wrote:
I look at PEN-L and all I see are a bunch of LIBERALS from universities
whose economic schemes all seem to involve big government coming in to
enact their redistributionist schemes.
At this point I was sure we were going to be told we should stop being
so reformist.
Carrol Cox wrote:
blunting working-class power in the imperialist center. I don't think
Lenin was right about super-profits providing a bribe for imperialist
workers, but that is quite secondary to his core perception that
imperialism, _in some way_, underwrites opportunism in the working
class.
Michael Perelman wrote:
I am not sure that distribution should be at the center. An auto worker
with 30 hours of overtime makes a good wage, but probably does not lead a
good life. Marx said that all economics comes down to the economics of
time.
It has always seemed to me that what
primarily be about
fairer distribution.
In emphasizing liberalism with his caps -- redistributionist
LIBERALS -- Alois was right.
Andrew Kliman
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Holy Nassau Senior, Perelman! What will become of the morals of our children and young
people if those auto workers are turned out
of the warm, pure atmosphere of the factory into the heartless and frivolous outer
world?
Michael Perelman wrote,
I am not sure that distribution should be at
Tom Walker wrote:
Holy Nassau Senior, Perelman! What will become of the morals of our children and young people if those auto workers are turned out
of the warm, pure atmosphere of the factory into the heartless and frivolous outer world?
What constitutes the alienation of labour?
Firstly,
- Original Message -
From: Bill Lear [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Harry Glasbeek has made a very firm contribution to economic justice
in his book *Wealth by Stealth: Corporate Crime, Corporate Law, and
the Perversion of Democracy* (Between the Lines, 2003).
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An excellent
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From: Max B. Sawicky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I thot it was surplus value that was redistributed
in the first place.
love me, love me, love me, I'm a RD liberal . . .
mbs
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Appropriated..
Quite apart from this crude tearing-apart of
I am not sure that distribution should be at the center. An autoworker with 30 hours of overtime makes a good wage, but probably does not lead a good life. Marx said that all economics comes down to the economics of
time.
The "economics of time" provides an entry point into the logic of the era
At 06/02/03 01:12 +, Alois wrote:
I look at PEN-L and all I see are a bunch of LIBERALS from universities whose economic schemes all seem to involve big government coming in to enact their redistributionist schemes. I see a lot of talk about economics, including the discredited Marx.
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I look at PEN-L and all I see are a bunch of LIBERALS from universities
whose economic schemes all seem to involve big government coming in to
enact their redistributionist schemes. I see a lot of talk about
economics, including the discredited Marx. Well here are some things that
you seem to
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I look at PEN-L and all I see are a bunch of LIBERALS from universities
whose economic schemes all seem to involve big government coming in to
enact their redistributionist schemes. I see a lot of talk about
economics, including the discredited Marx. Well here are some
gee i never thought about it that way before . . .
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Subject: [PEN-L:34374] PEN-L equals redistributionist LIBERALS
I look
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
People who don't like working for a company should START THEIR OWN
BUSINESS.
And people who don't like getting old should JUST GET YOUNGER! People
who don't like being sick should JUST GET HEALTHY!
I can forsee an entire genre of SELF-HELP HERE.
Doug
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I look at PEN-L and all I see are a bunch of LIBERALS from universities
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You forgot to mention that we're also a bunch of pantheists who see all of
space-time as a temple with way too many money changers wrecking the place.
Doug
Sounds good to me, maybe you've writing the wrong kind of books.
I'm sure you guys and gyns have discussed this already, but is Christopher
Hitchens on some kind of medication? He sounds not so much reactionary as to
my ears as incoherent, like the people who used to wander up and down
I'm a liberal, but not from a university. The universities didn't want me because i was too radical. This is actually true. jks
Ian Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- Original Message -From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I look at PEN-L and all I see are a bunch of LIBERALS from
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I look at PEN-L and all I see are a bunch of LIBERALS
from universities
Absolutely right mate. In fact it might be worse than
that. I think that some of them are practically
SOCIALISTS! Perhaps it would help if somebody could
look up a few statistics from the
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Sounds suspiciously like your church is sponsoring redistribution, Alois.
What's more, I can say for certain that a lot of us
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