Re: the nature of the war

2003-03-20 Thread Dan Scanlan
Title: Re: [PEN-L:35785] the nature of the war Yesterday, I had a conversation with a friend who's been on the left for about 55 years. He suggested that Bush's war may actually be against the collective interests of the ruling class, the product of a small clique within that class. I suggested

Re: the nature of the war

2003-03-20 Thread Ellen Frank
The problem with trying to figure this out is that nobody can figure out why we want war so badly. What is the objective? To distract attention from the economy until Nov, 2004? To get control of Iraq's oil? To assert US power? To bring democracy to the Middle East? Certainly, the ruling

re: the nature of the war

2003-03-20 Thread Devine, James
Title: re: the nature of the war There are two aspects to the question. First, there's the ruling elite that Dan writes about (the Clump), the one that's currently led by the Bushists. But I was also talking about the ruling class, a larger group that controls the means of production

Re: Re: the nature of the war

2003-03-20 Thread k hanly
- From: Ellen Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 7:58 AM Subject: [PEN-L:35805] Re: the nature of the war The problem with trying to figure this out is that nobody can figure out why we want war so badly. What is the objective? To distract attention

Re: Re: Re: the nature of the war

2003-03-20 Thread Carrol Cox
What does PNAC, as in PNAC people, stand for? Carrol

Re: Re: Re: Re: the nature of the war

2003-03-20 Thread k hanly
which has this moral standing.' - Original Message - From: Carrol Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 11:30 AM Subject: [PEN-L:35810] Re: Re: Re: the nature of the war What does PNAC, as in PNAC people, stand for? Carrol

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: the nature of the war

2003-03-20 Thread Alan Jacobson
Having looked at the PNAC website.. Man, oh man, talk about a cabal. Brings to mind the Stonecutters' Song from the Simpsons: Who controls the British crown? Who keeps the metric system down? We do! We do! Who leaves Atlantis off the maps? Who keeps the martians under wraps? We do! We do! Who

the nature of the war

2003-03-19 Thread Devine, James
Title: the nature of the war Yesterday, I had a conversation with a friend who's been on the left for about 55 years. He suggested that Bush's war may actually be against the collective interests of the ruling class, the product of a small clique within that class. I suggested instead

Re: the nature of the war

2003-03-19 Thread Michael Perelman
Your friend may be correct. Business Week, which tends to reflect the upper reaches of the other class, has not been too supportive of the war. What may be more likely is that the old Yankee/Cowboy split is coming unglued -- maybe reverting back to the older Rockefeller/Goldwater split? I don't

Re: the nature of the war

2003-03-19 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Title: Re: the nature of the war Yesterday, I had a conversation with a friend who's been on the left for about 55 years. He suggested that Bush's war may actually be against the collective interests of the ruling class, the product of a small clique within that class. I suggested instead