u/p labor

2004-07-24 Thread Devine, James
[was: something about Thomas Frank]

cc writes:Now I leaped a few stages there, and left productive and
unproductive undefined. Those steps ought to be filled in -- BUT NOT
BY TRYING TO MAKE _ECONOMIC_ SENSE. As soon as you try to prove or
disprove this as a statement about technical economics you will lose
completely the profound historical (cultural) importance of the
distinction.

there's economics and then there's economics. the unproductive/productive distinction 
may make no sense in terms of neoclassical economics (though many NCs see government 
labor as unproductive), but it makes sense in terms of Marxian economics. U labor 
doesn't contribute to surplus-value, whereas P labor does. 

I don't know if the concept U/P is very useful, though.

jd

 

 



Re: u/p labor

2004-07-24 Thread Tom Walker
Speaking of unproductive labour, I just posted to another mailing list --
swt, shorter worktime list -- a draft essay about a seminal discussion of
unproductive labour, fictitious capital, inconvertible paper money and
superfluous things. It's an introductory essay to Charles Wentworth Dilke's
anonymously published pamphlet, The Source and Remedy of the National
Difficulties, mentioned in a footnote in the preface by Engels to vol. II
of Capital. According to Engels, Marx saved the pamphlet from falling into
oblivion. Well, Marx may have saved it from total oblivion, but I
transcribed it and posted it on the internet!

Here's the essay:

http://www.worklessparty.org/timework/srintro.pdf

...and here's the transcribed pamphlet:

http://www.worklessparty.org/timework/source%20and%20remedy.pdf

Jim Devine wrote,

there's economics and then there's economics. the unproductive/productive
distinction may make no sense in terms of neoclassical economics (though
many
NCs see government labor as unproductive), but it makes sense in terms of
Marxian economics. U labor doesn't contribute to surplus-value, whereas P
labor
does.

I don't know if the concept U/P is very useful, though.

Tom Walker
604 255 4812


Re: u/p labor

2004-07-24 Thread Michael Perelman
Tom deserves a note of thanks for posting this valuable literature.  Going to the
site, I found that you can also find a pin-up of Tom.

http://www.worklessparty.org/tomwalker.shtml
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Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
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Tel. 530-898-5321
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