[PEN-L] corporate seismic shift

2005-03-20 Thread Chris Burford
Bourgeois right catches up with finance capitalism:- Being above it all is no longer a viable defence The corporate world felt a seismic shift when a New York jury found Bernie Ebbers guilty from Guardian (UK) http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldcom/story/0,12167,1441446,00.html It is not

Re: [PEN-L] corporate seismic shift

2005-03-20 Thread Michael Perelman
I don't see any seismic shift by a cyclical pattern -- standard post bubble behavior. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail michael at ecst.csuchico.edu

Re: [PEN-L] corporate seismic shift

2005-03-20 Thread Eubulides
-Original Message- From: PEN-L list [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Perelman I don't see any seismic shift by a cyclical pattern -- standard post bubble behavior. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929

[PEN-L] FW:Jamie Galbraith Perspectives on the ownership society

2005-03-20 Thread Devine, James
Dear Friends, The attached essay appeared today in the perspectives section of the San Jose Mercury News. Best to all, Jamie *** http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/editorial/11185309.htm Posted on Sun, Mar. 20, 2005 `Ownership society' is hardly a

[PEN-L] Forwarded from Jim Craven

2005-03-20 Thread Louis Proyect
What is SIL International? Founded 70 years ago, SIL International is a faith-based organization that studies, documents, and assists in developing the world's lesser-known languages. SIL's staff shares a Christian commitment to service, academic excellence, and professional engagement through

Re: [PEN-L] Forwarded from Jim Craven

2005-03-20 Thread Michael Perelman
Thy will Be Done, that wonderful book about the destructive Rockefeller influence goes into great detail about the SIL as a wedge for the Rockefellers. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail michael at ecst.csuchico.edu

[PEN-L] Lewontin reviews Steven Rose's latest book on the brain

2005-03-20 Thread Charles Brown
But how do you know we're not already living in the Matrix? Kelley CB: Cus' I'm a ghost. :)

[PEN-L] People vs Banks

2005-03-20 Thread Charles Brown
Peter Hollings What would happen if you attempted to sell the house and pay off the mortgage before its maturity? You would have paid off more principle and less interest, but the payoff due would come out the same as under the conventional amortization scheme. The reason is that the interest

[PEN-L] Lewontin reviews Steven Rose's latest book on the bra

2005-03-20 Thread Charles Brown
i do not see it as the equivalent of matrix, where a virtual reality is created and maintained. but if you are a materialist, a human is no different from a computer. we may have been programmed by nature while computers may need programming by us. nonetheless, if a finite mass (the human

Re: [PEN-L] Lewontin reviews Steven Rose's latest book on the bra

2005-03-20 Thread Carrol Cox
Charles Brown wrote: i do not see it as the equivalent of matrix, where a virtual reality is created and maintained. but if you are a materialist, a human is no different from a computer. we may have been programmed by nature while computers may need programming by us. nonetheless, if a

Re: [PEN-L] Lewontin reviews Steven Rose's latest book on the bra

2005-03-20 Thread Eubulides
-Original Message- From: PEN-L list [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carrol Cox The belief in the possibility of a thinking computer is a dualist -- i.e., an idealist -- conception for it assumes that thinking is independent of the biological organism in which it occurs. I found

Re: [PEN-L] Lewontin reviews Steven Rose's latest book on the bra

2005-03-20 Thread Carrol Cox
Eubulides wrote: When was the last time you took or taught a class in philosophy of mind or computer science? Ditto for metaphysics. I imagine that Searle, who is quoted in my post, has some awareness of thos worlds. :-) I'm just in a position where I have to choose from disputants in a

Re: [PEN-L] Lewontin reviews Steven Rose's latest book on the bra

2005-03-20 Thread Eubulides
-Original Message- From: PEN-L list [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Devine, James Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 3:22 PM To: PEN-L@SUS.CSUCHICO.EDU Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Lewontin reviews Steven Rose's latest book on the bra When was the last time you took or taught a class in

Re: [PEN-L] Lewontin reviews Steven Rose's latest book on the bra

2005-03-20 Thread Devine, James
Carroll wasn't even making an argument. He merely stated a claim with no evidence, nor with any indication of understanding how many of the very terms he deployed have shifted their meanings over the last 25-30 years. One simple example; there is nothing in so-called strong AI that is inconsistent

Re: [PEN-L] Lewontin reviews Steven Rose's latest book on the bra

2005-03-20 Thread Eubulides
-Original Message- From: PEN-L list [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Devine, James Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 4:28 PM To: PEN-L@SUS.CSUCHICO.EDU Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Lewontin reviews Steven Rose's latest book on the bra Carroll wasn't even making an argument. He merely stated a

Re: [PEN-L] Lewontin reviews Steven Rose's latest book on the bra

2005-03-20 Thread Carrol Cox
Eubulides wrote: -Original Message- Habitual ex cathedra pronouncements are even worse. Ex Cathedra, properly used, refers to a pronouncement from an authority who has some sort of authority to impose the judgment on others. It is not properly applied to statements which have no

[PEN-L] Germany: saving, spending, unemployment

2005-03-20 Thread Eubulides
http://www.guardian.co.uk/leaders/story/0,3604,1442178,00.html German jobless Save less, spend more Leader Monday March 21, 2005 The Guardian Few will take pleasure from worsening unemployment in Germany which led to last week's fresh installment of corrective measures. They include plans to cut