[PEN-L] moral framing, vision

2005-03-30 Thread Charles Brown
One thing that makes me hesitate on the left learning from the successful right strategy and tactics is , as I mentioned, it might not have been better strategy and tactics, but basically infinitely more money than the real left that made the right's method work. The left activities from 1964 -74 w

Re: [PEN-L] moral framing, vision

2005-03-29 Thread Devine, James
> I think it was only one of the commandments, "Thou shalt [not] > commit > adultery." How many God-fearing, Bible-thumping, people ran out and committed that sin? Jim Devine

Re: [PEN-L] moral framing, vision

2005-03-29 Thread Carrol Cox
"Devine, James" wrote: > > > I assuming the "not" in the fourth line from the end of > > Jim's letter is a misprint, but overall it is a good question. > > Yeah, it was a typo. (It's sort of like the version of the Bible that > allegedly _left out_ the "nots" in the Ten Commandments...) > Jim Devi

Re: [PEN-L] moral framing, vision

2005-03-29 Thread Devine, James
> I assuming the "not" in the fourth line from the end of > Jim's letter is a misprint, but overall it is a good question. Yeah, it was a typo. (It's sort of like the version of the Bible that allegedly _left out_ the "nots" in the Ten Commandments...) Jim Devine

Re: [PEN-L] moral framing, vision

2005-03-29 Thread Michael Hoover
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/28/05 8:53 AM >>> Michael Hoover : -clip- populist right's origins of which are in the 'other 60s', so much bigger story than has generally been recognized or acknowledged)... ^ CB: The "other 60's": I wonder if that is to suggest that while the left likes to think of

Re: [PEN-L] moral framing, vision

2005-03-28 Thread Doyle Saylor
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[PEN-L] moral framing, vision

2005-03-28 Thread Charles Brown
Michael Hoover : -clip- populist right's origins of which are in the 'other 60s', so much bigger story than has generally been recognized or acknowledged)... ^ CB: The "other 60's": I wonder if that is to suggest that while the left likes to think of the "60's" as a left upsurge, in hindsigh

Re: [PEN-L] moral framing, vision

2005-03-27 Thread Chris Burford
hat the left has to have a moral as well as an economic and a political perspective. Chris Burford London - Original Message - From: "Michael Hoover" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 12:02 AM Subject: Re: [PEN-L] moral framing, vision [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0

Re: [PEN-L] moral framing, vision

2005-03-26 Thread Michael Hoover
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/25/05 2:12 PM >>> Michael H's response was useful, but I was thinking more generally. If the Left wants to revive, it needs a clear moral perspective -- and a clear method of moral framing. Sure, we can lambaste the establishment and its system for hypocrisy and the like

Re: [PEN-L] moral framing, vision

2005-03-25 Thread Carl Remick
From: Yoshie Furuhashi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Why can't American workers be like French workers? They lack that certain je ne sais quoi :) Carl

Re: [PEN-L] moral framing, vision

2005-03-25 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
At 11:12 AM -0800 3/25/05, Devine, James wrote: Sure, we can lambaste the establishment and its system for hypocrisy and the like. But what is our positive vision? Marx didn't help much here, because his emphasis (perhaps rightly at the time) was almost entirely a critique of capitalism. What about

[PEN-L] moral framing, vision

2005-03-25 Thread Devine, James
[was: RE: [PEN-L] another Schiavo irony] Michael H's response was useful, but I was thinking more generally. If the Left wants to revive, it needs a clear moral perspective -- and a clear method of moral framing. Sure, we can lambaste the establishment and its system for hypocrisy and the l