Dear Louis Proyect
I am an Iranian student, interested in socialist alternatives and the
related debates.
I have a question in mind that I think you can help me about it: What can
you propose as a developement plan for the so called "under developed"
countries?
Now a days, the World Bank and
that doesn't change anything: the competitive capitalist investment
process inevitably
produces crises. The companies have to provide attractive theaters, movies
that people
want to see, etc., if they want people to spend money at the concession
stands (where they
paid captive audience monopoly
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Capital punishment
By GUY RUNDLE Monday 9 April 2001
Open Society: Reforming Global Capitalism, By George Soros, Little, Brown, $30
The Death of Gentlemanly Capitalism, By Philip Augar, Penguin, $45
Nineteen ninety-eight was a great
"The movement is everything, the final goal is nothing."
Bernstein
"The final goal is everything, the movement is nothing."
Luxemburg
"Writing recipes for the cookshops of the future is not our thing"
(slightly paraphased)
Marx
"The anatomy of the
Louis Proyect wrote:
I don't know about Chase-Dunn and 'market socialism'. In this 1999 article
on "Globalization: a World Systems Perspective", he calls for soft-pedaling
opposition to WTO and throwing one's support behind a 'global state'
whatever its class character. Although I lack
Carrol writes:Discussions of the nature of socialism socialism are absurd if conducted
from the p[erspectuive of being a motive for strugle -- that is, from the perspective
of
being seen as humanity's reward for struggle. But we cannot understand the present
except
by looking backward from the
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Michael Perelman wrote:
. . . much success in communicating with a broader audience.
"Broader audience" is too vague -- it seems usually to mean large,
nondescript, miscellanmeous audience consisting of isolated individuals
sitting at home. There
Got this from Carl R.
CB
[From "Capital Punishment" by Guy Rundle, a review in The Age of _Open
Society: Reforming Global Capitalism_ by George Soros]
Soros is no pseudo-intellectual business guru, writing his 12 steps to
prosperity and world peace. A Hungarian refugee, he studied with
SCIENCE SOCIETY
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Special Issue: Color, Culture and Gender in the 1960s,
Guest-edited by Paul Mishler and Alan Wald
*Editorial Perspectives: An Intense and Many-Textured Moment
*Introduction, by Paul Mishler and Alan Wald
ARTICLES
*Havana Up in Harlem:
We have people on the list from Turkey, Argentina, Korea, and many other
places where very important changes are taking place. Unfortunately, we
hear almost nothing from the people on the ground in days places.
Instead, we hear a great deal about the United States and Canada, but
not the rest
But we shouldn't rule out discussions of how socialism can and should be
organized as _a
matter of principle_ as Louis would have it. Otherwise, we're into
cheer-leading for Kemal
Ataturk, Juan Peron, and other bourgeois leaders. We have to ask how the
people -- workers
and other oppressed groups
I recall how Marx scrupulously tried to avoid discussions about how
to organize the future,
since it would just set off squabbling.
And *not* discussing how to organize the future leads to... Stalin.
I'd rather have a *lot* of squabbling myself...
Brad DeLong
Louis Proyect wrote:
the job of socialists
is to mobilize the masses to defend anti-imperialist gains until they can
be persuaded in their majority to fight for socialism.
Socialism achieved substantial majority support in (for example) Cuba
_after the revolutionary seizure of state
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The nation state is here to stay at least
in the medium term, and it is the worst kind of idealism to talk glibly
about "smashing" it in the classical Leninist manner, as Lenin himself found
out.
((
CB: Lenin didn't advocate "smashing" the
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- Original Message -
From: "Sabri Oncu" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This is pretty much what Boswell and Chase-Dunn suggest in "The Spiral of
Capitalism and Socialism" as well. I am not at all comfortable with the
strategy they are suggesting to the global
Michael Perelman wrote:
We have people on the list from Turkey, Argentina, Korea, and many other
places where very important changes are taking place. Unfortunately, we
hear almost nothing from the people on the ground in days places.
i am from india and i have contributed some thoughts,
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-In fact, if anything, it is classical Marxist doctrine- Marx was quite
clear
-in calling for socialists to support the greatest centralization of the
-state possible, erasing localism as much as possible.
(((
CB: Isn't Marx supporting
BLS DAILY REPORT, FRIDAY, APRIL 13, 2001:
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of 2000 was enrolled in colleges or universities in the fall, the Bureau
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the same as a year earlier and
Michael Perelman wrote:
In my earlier post, I used the term strategic bankruptcy in discussing the
use of bankruptcy to avoid obligations -- even when the firm would be able
to survive the obligations that it is attempting to avoid. Would Grace
really be unable to pay the
Wow.
On Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 10:41:54PM -0700, Brad DeLong wrote:
I recall how Marx scrupulously tried to avoid discussions about how
to organize the future,
since it would just set off squabbling.
And *not* discussing how to organize the future leads to... Stalin.
I'd rather have a
Marx was moderately favorable towards Bismarck, at least in the sense of
preferring his success over the local states Bismarck forced into his
Prussian-led central state. Engels would later note that Social Democrats
would organize tremendously successfully in that more centralized political
- Original Message -
From: "Louis Proyect" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In a sense, Marx's analysis like Chase-Dunn's reflects the logic that
Daniel
Singer laid out in his THE END OF SOCIALISM where he noted that the power
of
capital strike and flight made localistic socialist parties unlikely to
Brad just can't help red baiting. It's part of the air the breathes.
michael yates
Brad DeLong wrote:
I recall how Marx scrupulously tried to avoid discussions about how
to organize the future,
since it would just set off squabbling.
And *not* discussing how to organize the future
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Brad writes:
And *not* discussing how to organize the future leads to... Stalin.
so was a lack of prior discussion the basis of the bloodiness of the revolution from
above
that's being foisted on the world by the "Washington Consensus" (the US Treasury, the
IMF,
the World Bank)?
I'd
Nathan:
Well, in a sense every internationalist socialist, from Marx through Trotsky
through Chase-Dunn, have argued that socialism in one country was an
impossibility. So TINA was always a Marxist truism at the nation-state
level. Thatcherism sought to argue by (false) analogy that since it
Do you have information on the position of other power suppliers who are
owed money by California utilities. I have heard that both BC and Albeta
will no longer supply power to California until debts owed them are paid. Is
this true? If this keeps up wont California have trouble buying power?
I wrote: But we shouldn't rule out discussions of how socialism can and should be
organized as _a matter of principle_ as Louis would have it. Otherwise, we're into
cheer-leading for Kemal Ataturk, Juan Peron, and other bourgeois leaders. We have to
ask
how the people -- workers and other
Ken Hanly wrote:
Do you have information on the position of other power suppliers who are
owed money by California utilities. I have heard that both BC and Albeta
will no longer supply power to California until debts owed them are paid. Is
this true? If this keeps up wont California have trouble
Brad just can't help red baiting. It's part of the air the breathes.
michael yates
Brad DeLong wrote:
I recall how Marx scrupulously tried to avoid discussions about how
to organize the future,
since it would just set off squabbling.
And *not* discussing how to organize the future
"let's you and him fight!" -- is this an effort to divide and
conquer (what's left of) the
left?
-- Jim
Devine
No. It's an attempt to *think* about the future.
If you want to make not thinking about the future a virtue, go ahead...
THanks for the useful information.
So how are the utilities paid for billing and collecting for the State? The
State is in effect taking the losses that ordinarily would be suffered by
the utilities isn't it? This is a kind of bizarre socialising of losses,
subsidy to consumers, private
I am not sure how accurate this is. Perhaps Pen-L people with more info can
comment. I find it a bit odd that the cheapest source of new electricity is
efficiency according to the last sentence...!
Cheers, Ken Hanly
The Boulder Daily Camera
April 13, 2001
Our Fake Energy Crisis: What Really
Thinking about the future is very important, but talking about it doesn't
make much sense when people have stopped thinking and merely assert what
they believe to be true.
For example, you could easily divide up the participants in the earlier
debates into a small number of groups and identify
Michael Perelman wrote:
For example, you could easily divide up the participants in the earlier
debates into a small number of groups and identify which post came from
which group. I think you have a hard time finding anybody who
demonstrated any change in their thinking as a result of any of
I don't think so. I know that my own views have grown from many of the
discussions here -- except for Jackie Mason.
On Fri, Apr 13, 2001 at 11:45:21PM -0400, Doug Henwood wrote:
Michael Perelman wrote:
For example, you could easily divide up the participants in the earlier
debates into a
Michael Perelman wrote:
We have people on the list from Turkey, Argentina, Korea, and many other
places where very important changes are taking place. Unfortunately, we
hear almost nothing from the people on the ground in days places.
i am from india and i have contributed some thoughts,
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