David:
Cop out. In my experience, there was one example of
a
socialist inspired car in the capitalist market: the
Yugo.
Case closed.
---
This is totally untrue. The USSR exported automobiles
to Latin America and elsewhere. Russia and Belarus
export tractors to Australia to this day, where
--- Kenneth Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just this eve, I was spending some time talking about
history with a
friend. She brought out a book with a variety of
graphs. The most
salient one, in this regard (thread), was the shift of
population from
agricultural workers to industrial workers.
Nice to be back with y'all again.
- Original Message -
From: Chris Doss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Even with the recent price hikes, my monthly
electricity bill in Moscow (pretty large Stalin-era
apartment, with two big rooms, kitchen, bathroom,
water closet) is a whopping $8.
Come to
Hi Patrick.
--- Patrick Bond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In SA, they've finally stopped the practice of
shutting off whole
sections
of (black) townships when a large proportion of
residents don't pay
bills,
but they still do for apartment houses. And that's in
a country with a
centre-left regime and
One Vote, One Party, NO Choice:
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--
Yoshie
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by David B. Shemano
I knew my statement would cause a problem, but I think the point is valid.
You, Charles Brown, subjectively value safety in such a manner that you
think
the speed limit should be 40 and not 70. I am not sure why your entirely
subjective opinion translates into a rule for
by Chris Doss
---
Yeah. Look at communal apartments, which were always
adduced in anti-Soviet propaganda as evidence of the
evils of the latter system. In fact, communal
apartments were a response to massive and rapid
urbanization. People have to live somewhere. When
England industrialized, what
--- Charles Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
^^
CB: Are you saying the Soviet people did not think
their policy was
about
socialism or that they didn't know what they were
really doing ?
---
Mainly that was me writing off the cuff while trying
to meet a deadline and working through a hangover.
Mainly that was me writing off the cuff while trying to meet a deadline and working through a hangover. It would be better to say something like "the shape of Soviet society was determined first and foremost by the need to develop an agrarian country. It succeeded. The rest of the stuff is
PEN-L:
I am reviewing From Oslo to Iraq and the Road Map, a collection of essays
by the late Edward W. Said, for the Sacramento News Review.
I seem to recall a recent opinion poll referenced on PEN-L concerning
Americans who wrongly thought that Palestinians occupied Israel.
Does this poll ring
Hi Patrick.
--- Patrick Bond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In SA, they've finally stopped the practice of
shutting off whole
sections
of (black) townships when a large proportion of
residents don't pay
bills,
but they still do for apartment houses. And that's in
a country with a
centre-left regime and
http://www.counterpunch.org/goff08132004.html
This is a long, well-researched article that takes on John Kerry's
environmentalist platform but goes much deeper into broader questions of
oil depletion, global warming, etc. It cites Mark Jones extensively as
well as Henry Liu. Highly recommended.
--
by Chris Doss
Mainly that was me writing off the cuff while trying
to meet a deadline and working through a hangover. It
wiould be better to say something like the shape of
Soviet society was determined first and foremost by
the need to develop an agrarian country. It succeeded.
The rest of teh
David wrote:
I was never good at geography.
That's apparent.
The argument was made that a socialist economy would put more
emphasis on transportation safety than a capitalist economy.
Seems plausible. Silly me, I though one way to test that
thesis was to examine and compare the actual products
Charles Brown wrote:
CB: Why was there a need to develop the agrarian country ? People had been
surviving in agrarian societies for millenia.
For one thing, the USSR existed in a capitalist sea, as Stalin said in
1930, they had 10 years to catch up with the west industrially,
culturally,
according to texas am political scientist harvey tucker, there is
strong positive relationship between voter turnout and democratic party
vote for governor, since 1970 when republicans began running competitive
elections for governor, dems have won all but one election when turnout
was at least
Title: yes
Federal Court
Rules That Commission on Presidential Debates is a Partisan
Organization
CPD not credible to run non-partisan debates
Nader urges support of Citizens' Debate Commission
Washington, DC: Independent Presidential Candidate Ralph Nader today
applauded a federal court
Carrol Cox wrote:
Secondly, the primary Marxist point about capitalism was that,
destructive of human life as capitalism had been from its very beginning
(the advances for the few from the beginning disguising the greater
horror for the many), it _had_ opened up the possibility of _real_
Economics and law
by Charles Brown
13 August 2004 17:09 UTC
by Chris Doss
Mainly that was me writing off the cuff while trying
to meet a deadline and working through a hangover. It
wiould be better to say something like the shape of
Soviet society was determined first and foremost by
the
--- Charles Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
CB: Why was there a need to develop the agrarian
country ? People had been
surviving in agrarian societies for millenia.
Fend off the West? Russia's been doing this since
Peter the Great.
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Re: Economics and law
by Carrol Cox
13 August 2004 17:38 UTC
Charles Brown wrote:
CB: Why was there a need to develop the agrarian country ? People
had been
surviving in agrarian societies for millenia.
For one thing, the USSR existed in a capitalist sea, as Stalin said
in
1930, they
Oh, I think a lot of Soviet policy was simply a
utilitarian, how do we build up the country as
quickly as possible to overtake our enemoies? thing.
Russia engages in these grandiose catching up with
the West adventures every couple of centuries or so.
It has succeeded twice, under Peter the Great
Op/Ed - William F. Buckley
THE NEW WAR HAWK
Tue Aug 10, 8:00 PM ET
By William F. Buckley Jr.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=indexcid=742
Six months ago I ventured in this space that the Democratic position on
the war in Iraq (news - web sites) was the single most critical question
in U.S.
Chris wrote:
Russia engages in these grandiose catching up with
the West adventures every couple of centuries or so.
What I have always enjoyed about Chris's posts about Russia is his love
of the populace...
Likewise, I do with North Americans...
Ken.
--
Since the whole affair had become one
by michael a. lebowitz
I'm without notes but roughly, as comrade Stalin correctly stated in 1931,
we have 10 years in which to catch up or we will be defeated again.In
support of Chris' point, I don't recall this statement as having anything to
do with building socialism as such.
Kenneth Campbell writes:
How about West and East Germany? Can't complain about
different historical development.
I think most might agree that there is a very different historical
development between the parts of Germany that were east and west. Check
it out. Pretty main stream.
And,
David the Savior is back and writes:
Let's try one last time.
Please do. We appreciate your altruism.
The suggestion was made that a socialist economy will
more highly value transportation safety than a
capitalist economy.
If you are trying to cite thread precedent, I applaud you.
Economics
by Chris Doss
Oh, I think a lot of Soviet policy was simply a
utilitarian, how do we build up the country as
quickly as possible to overtake our enemoies? thing.
Russia engages in these grandiose catching up with
the West adventures every couple of centuries or so.
It has succeeded twice, under
Charles Brown wrote:
CB: If they hadn't been doing something that was building socialism
some kind of threat to capitalism , they wouldn't have been in such imminent
danger of being defeated again. The reason imperialism was especially
focussed on invading and conquering the SU is that they
Title: vote count
On October 28 in 2003 I
suggested a strategy on this list for Dennis Kucinich in his quest to
be President. I had strong hopes for Kucinich, hopes that only faded
when he announced that he would support the Democratic candidate
whoever it turned out to be. To my mind, he became
I drove a Lada for five years. It was fourteen years old when I got it and
was still going just fine when I gave it away last month. They were built
off the plans of old Fiats.
dd
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From: PEN-L list [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chris Doss
Sent: 13 August 2004
http://www.counterpunch.org/goff08132004.html
This is a long, well-researched article that takes on John Kerry's
environmentalist platform but goes much deeper into broader questions of
oil depletion, global warming, etc. It cites Mark Jones extensively as
well as Henry Liu. Highly recommended.
by Carrol Cox
Agreed, but that wasn't what Stalin said. (I'm going by memory here: I
hope someone can find the exact quotation.) He talked about how the West
had beaten us repeatedly through Russian history: i.e., the whole was
in nationalist, not socialist, terms. The earlier defeats (and he
Carrol: Agreed, but that wasn't what Stalin said. (I'm going by memory here:
I
hope someone can find the exact quotation.) ...
^^
CB: Wait a minute, what you said was Stalin said that the USSR existed in a
capitalist sea.
The reference to capitalists seems to imply he was getting at the
Kenneth Campbell writes
But I will take the bait. Show me what you have learned about eastern
Germany and why that section of that country would be a tad less able
to produce cars. (You can do it!)
The issue is not whether East Germany, or any other socialist economy, was less able
to
1928 - At the same time we have around us a number of capitalist countries whose industrial technique is far more developed and up-to-date than that of our country. Look at the capitalist countries and you will see that their technology is not only advancing, but advancing by leaps and bounds,
Obviously, someone who is very poor needs transportation will be unlikely to
purchase a Volvo would be more likely to settle for a Yugo.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail michael at ecst.csuchico.edu
(M.Hoover wins the door prize . . . The Task of Economic Executives 1931.)
1931 - It is sometimes asked whether it is not possible to slow down the tempo somewhat, to put a check on the movement. No, comrades, it is not possible ! The tempo must not be reduced! On the contrary, we must
In the past we had no fatherland, nor could we have had one. But now that we have overthrown capitalism and power is in our hands, in the hands of the people, we have a fatherland, and we will uphold its independence. Do you want our socialist fatherland to be beaten and to lose its independence?
James E. McGreevey and the Political Closet of the Democratic Party
(Embodied within McGreevey's career are contradictions of the
Democratic Party):
http://montages.blogspot.com/2004/08/james-e-mcgreevey-and-political-closet.html.
--
Yoshie
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http://www.counterpunch.org/goff08132004.html
This is a long, well-researched article that takes on John Kerry's environmentalist platform but goes much deeper into broader questions of oil depletion, global warming, etc. It cites Mark Jones extensively as well as Henry Liu. Highly
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