[Bug 1738385] Request mod_perl package for EPEL 8

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https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1738385

Fedora Update System  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|ON_QA   |CLOSED
 Resolution|--- |ERRATA
Last Closed||2019-09-21 02:04:47



--- Comment #17 from Fedora Update System  ---
mod_perl-2.0.10-17.el8, perl-Apache-Reload-0.13-12.el8 has been pushed to the
Fedora EPEL 8 stable repository. If problems still persist, please make note of
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[Bug 1738385] Request mod_perl package for EPEL 8

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https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1738385
Bug 1738385 depends on bug 1744678, which changed state.

Bug 1744678 Summary: [RFE] Can perl-Linux-Pid be branched for EPEL8
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1744678

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[Bug 1738385] Request mod_perl package for EPEL 8

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https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1738385
Bug 1738385 depends on bug 1744676, which changed state.

Bug 1744676 Summary: [RFE] EPEL8 branch of perl-BSD-Resource
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1744676

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|ON_QA   |CLOSED
 Resolution|--- |ERRATA



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[Bug 1738385] Request mod_perl package for EPEL 8

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https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1738385

Fedora Update System  changed:

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 Status|MODIFIED|ON_QA



--- Comment #16 from Fedora Update System  ---
mod_perl-2.0.10-17.el8, perl-Apache-Reload-0.13-12.el8 has been pushed to the
Fedora EPEL 8 testing repository. If problems still persist, please make note
of it in this bug report.
See https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Updates_Testing for
instructions on how to install test updates.
You can provide feedback for this update here:
https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2019-8a40115999

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[Bug 1738385] Request mod_perl package for EPEL 8

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Petr Pisar  changed:

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   Fixed In Version|mod_perl-2.0.10-17.el8  |mod_perl-2.0.10-17.el8
   ||perl-Apache-Reload-0.13-12.
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[Bug 1738385] Request mod_perl package for EPEL 8

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--- Comment #15 from Fedora Update System  ---
FEDORA-EPEL-2019-8a40115999 has been submitted as an update to Fedora EPEL 8.
https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2019-8a40115999

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[Bug 1738385] Request mod_perl package for EPEL 8

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https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1738385



--- Comment #14 from yoshida.ryui...@bsearchtech.com ---
> (1) The mod_perl tests fail randomly. 

Just a thought. 
(although you may be already aware and have tested this...)

httpd versions and default MPM settings are:

RHEL6 - httpd 2.2 - prefork MPM
RHEL7 - httpd 2.4 - prefork MPM
RHEL8 - httpd 2.4 - event MPM

Even with high traffic pressure tests, 
I never experienced random failures (invalid results) with mod_perl on
(at least) prefork MPMs on RHEL 6 & 7.

If your tests are failing under event MPM on RHEL8,
any possibility of improved stability
by changing the MPM from event to prefork ?

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[Bug 1738385] Request mod_perl package for EPEL 8

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Petr Pisar  changed:

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 Status|ASSIGNED|MODIFIED
   Fixed In Version||mod_perl-2.0.10-17.el8



--- Comment #13 from Petr Pisar  ---
perl-Apache-Reload is not strictly needed but handy.

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--- Comment #12 from Petr Pisar  ---
perl-Apache-Reload 
is also needed.

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[Bug 1738385] Request mod_perl package for EPEL 8

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Petr Pisar  changed:

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 Depends On||1744678, 1744676




Referenced Bugs:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1744676
[Bug 1744676] [RFE] EPEL8 branch of perl-BSD-Resource
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1744678
[Bug 1744678] [RFE] Can perl-Linux-Pid be branched for EPEL8
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Petr Pisar  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |ASSIGNED
Version|epel7   |epel8



--- Comment #11 from Petr Pisar  ---
https://pagure.io/releng/fedora-scm-requests/issue/16312

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[Bug 1738385] Request mod_perl package for EPEL 8

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Jitka Plesnikova  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Blocks||1744714




Referenced Bugs:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1744714
[Bug 1744714] [RFE] EPEL8 branch of perl-Log-Log4perl
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--- Comment #10 from Pat Riehecky  ---
I'll confess interest in mod_perl in order to support OCS Inventory Server.

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--- Comment #9 from yoshida.ryui...@bsearchtech.com ---
The reason we used mod_perl was, 
simply because we did not want our 10K+ lines of perl codes (stateless API)
compiled at each request.

Now my prototype (full coverage) is running on FCGI and CGI::Fast. 
I don't see major difference between these two. I think I can proceed with
FCGI.

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--- Comment #8 from Petr Pisar  ---
CGI::Fast is for running CGI scripts through FastCGI protocol. There is no need
for that. Instead you should execute the CGI scripts as a normal CGI script
directly by the httpd. You only need to configure httpd to load mod_cgid or
mod_cgi module (depending on active MPM implementation) and hook .cgi  file
names to that module (using "SetHandler cgi-script"). This is nothing new to
RHEL-8. It was like that even in RHEL-7.

For the long-running state-preserving jobs, you can use FCGI Perl module in the
job scripts (already packaged in RHEL-8). In my opinion CGI::Fast does not
provide many benefits comparing to FCGI module. In both cases you need to
change the scripts to contain the FastCGI loop. There is mod_fcgid for for
spawning the scripts from httpd. mod_fcgid has the nice feature that it nicely
reuses httpd MPM configuration (spawning multiple instances, load balancing,
limiting resources, restarting and watching scripts). If you want to get rid of
the FastCGI loop boilerplate code in your scripts I recommend rewriting them to
the PSGI interface and using Plack as a midleware between FastCGI protocol and
your script.

We can package perl-CGI-Fast in EPEL 8 if you find a use for that. I only
recommend you testing it first whether it fits your needs and works for you. My
haze recollections are I had some issues with it. But I cannot remember what
they were.

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--- Comment #7 from yoshida.ryui...@bsearchtech.com ---
Thanks for the suggestions. I'll continue to look into each of the 
suggested alternatives(including Plack/PSGI).

Now for FastCGI/RHEL8.1 beta, I cannot find CGI::Fast module in RHEL8.1 

rpm perl-CGI-3.63-4.el7.noarch contains CGI/Fast.pm
rpm perl-CGI-4.38-2.el8.noarch does not. 

Should I request perl-CGI-Fast rpm for EPEL 8?

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--- Comment #6 from Emmanuel Seyman  ---
(In reply to Petr Pisar from comment #5)
> Plack as it is packaged in Fedora requires (at least for building) mod_perl.

Yes, there's a Plack::Handler::Apache2 to run PSGI apps using mod_perl2 and
it will need to be dropped for any Fedora downstream where mod_perl2 is not
available but this shouldn't be that difficult to do. 

>However, I've never
> sent the patches to the Fedora maintainer as he dislikes all my proposals.

I had forgotten who the maintainer of perl-Plack is. This is a bigger problem
than the dependency on mod_perl2 and means that I'll have to maintain more
packages if I want to maintain bugzilla for EPEL 8. :-(

> Is starman really usable as a standalone HTTP server? Does it support TLS
> and IPv6? Or does one at the end have to run it behind a reverse HTTP proxy?

The recommended way to run starman is to run it behind a reverse HTTP proxy and
use it to handle only the perl part of your application (static files, IPv[4|6]
and TLS would be handled by the reverse proxy). That said, Starman uses
Net::Server and should be able to handle both TLS and IPv6.

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--- Comment #5 from Petr Pisar  ---
Plack as it is packaged in Fedora requires (at least for building) mod_perl. I
have locally tried to drop the dependency and I was successful. I was even
successful with packaging the Plack stack into RHEL-8. However, I've never sent
the patches to the Fedora maintainer as he dislikes all my proposals.

Is starman really usable as a standalone HTTP server? Does it support TLS and
IPv6? Or does one at the end have to run it behind a reverse HTTP proxy?

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Emmanuel Seyman  changed:

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--- Comment #4 from Emmanuel Seyman  ---
(In reply to yoshida.ryuichi from comment #2)
> 
> Now I think I should look for some viable alternatives.

I would recommend looking at Plack/PSGI (https://plackperl.org/) and starman as
a server.

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--- Comment #3 from Petr Pisar  ---
If you don't need long-running server jobs or preserving a state between HTTP
requests, I would go with classical CGI scripts.

If you want to have a server spanning across multiple HTTP requests, mod_fcgid
is probably the right way to go. Plenty of other languages like PHP or Python
actually prefer FastCGI interface. mod_fcgi itself also suffers from some
issues, e.g. I know about bug #1651746, that's pretty annoying when using PSGI
applications. But mod_fcgid is still supported by Apache, last upstream commit
 was at the beginning of
this year and Red Hat actively fixes bugs there. The code base is smaller and
does not embed any interpreter in contrast to mod_perl thus it's easier for
maintenance and more secure. Although mod_fcgid is far from vibrant development
(partially because FastCGI interface is provided by various other HTTP servers
like Nginx and thus FastCGI users are more spread), it's definily maintained
and maintainable.

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--- Comment #2 from yoshida.ryui...@bsearchtech.com ---
Thank you for status updates on mod_perl.

Now I think I should look for some viable alternatives.



Do you have any advice on 
using mod_fcgid as an alternative,
mainly from perspectives of 
product quality & project status?

(set aside our porting efforts...)
In fact, I tried a light prototype of 
mod_fcgid few years ago 
when RHEL7.0 came out without mod_perl,
kind of prepared to some extent.

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--- Comment #1 from Petr Pisar  ---
I could add mod_perl into EPEL, but there are two issues you should be aware
about:

(1) The mod_perl tests fail randomly. I believe this is some race condition
corrupting internal mod_perl/perl/httpd state. I was not able to locate the
cause.
(2) mod_perl development is dead. There are many open bugs and mod_perl
maintainer claimed he would like to stop maintaining it.

All of that means that building your product on mod_perl is not wise and I
won't be able to provide any support except for security fixes. In the the
light of this information, do you still insist on packaging it into EPEL?

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