Re: [Module::Build] Re: Test::META

2005-03-29 Thread Randy W. Sims
Michael G Schwern wrote: On Tue, Mar 29, 2005 at 08:33:48PM -0500, Randy W. Sims wrote: A quickie sample implementation to add more meat. I didn't apply yet mainly because I'm wondering if we shouldn't bail and do a complete roll-back (eg. don't generate a Build script) if there are any failed r

Re: [Module::Build] Re: Test::META

2005-03-29 Thread Michael G Schwern
On Tue, Mar 29, 2005 at 08:33:48PM -0500, Randy W. Sims wrote: > A quickie sample implementation to add more meat. I didn't apply yet > mainly because I'm wondering if we shouldn't bail and do a complete > roll-back (eg. don't generate a Build script) if there are any failed > requirements. Or s

Re: [Module::Build] Re: Test::META

2005-03-29 Thread Randy W. Sims
Michael G Schwern wrote: On Tue, Mar 29, 2005 at 04:43:30PM -0600, Ken Williams wrote: I think there's one really good argument in favor of splitting it out and one really good argument against. In favor: if we knew the subset of build_requires that were actually needed for testing, then it woul

Re: [Module::Build] Re: Test::META

2005-03-29 Thread Michael G Schwern
On Tue, Mar 29, 2005 at 04:43:30PM -0600, Ken Williams wrote: > I think there's one really good argument in favor of splitting it out > and one really good argument against. > > In favor: if we knew the subset of build_requires that were actually > needed for testing, then it would be easier for

Re: [Module::Build] Re: Test::META

2005-03-29 Thread Ken Williams
On Mar 28, 2005, at 6:21 PM, Randy W. Sims wrote: I think someone had proposed a year or two ago that there should be a test_requires options and I argued against it. Now, I think maybe it was a good idea; especially, since the number of extra testing modules being used have increased a lot over

Re: Talk: Why You Really Want To Write Tests

2005-03-29 Thread Michael G Schwern
On Tue, Mar 29, 2005 at 11:05:28AM -0500, Robert wrote: > "Tests let you know, right away, when they're screwed up your code" > > Should be: Tests let you know, right away, when they've screwed up your > code > > or > > Should be: Tests let you know, right away, when they're are screwing up yo

Re: Test::META

2005-03-29 Thread Michael G Schwern
On Tue, Mar 29, 2005 at 09:04:54AM -0500, Christopher H. Laco wrote: > I was. But at some level, I'm not. > If after changing one dist to use M::B I have more issues than I started > with [which was just checking the syntax of my manually edited > META.yml], then there's no reason to move all of

Re: [Module::Build] Re: Test::META

2005-03-29 Thread David Wheeler
On Mar 28, 2005, at 4:21 PM, Randy W. Sims wrote: I think someone had proposed a year or two ago that there should be a test_requires options and I argued against it. Now, I think maybe it was a good idea; especially, since the number of extra testing modules being used have increased a lot over

Re: Talk: Why You Really Want To Write Tests

2005-03-29 Thread Robert
"Michael G Schwern" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Tue, Mar 22, 2005 at 06:28:21PM +, Adrian Howard wrote: >> PS "O'Reilly will have a small book soon" ? > > Oh yeah, that's the developer's testing notebook Ian Langworth and > chromatic > are working on. >

Re: Test::META

2005-03-29 Thread Christopher H. Laco
Michael G Schwern wrote: [snip] Sticking with ExtUtils::MakeMaker. :-) [But where's the fun in that.] I know you're joking, but you've flipped my rant switch. I was. But at some level, I'm not. If after changing one dist to use M::B I have more issues than I started with [which was just checking

Re: Test::META

2005-03-29 Thread Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes
On Mon, Mar 28, 2005 at 08:35:34PM -0800, Michael G Schwern wrote: > > Whether things that are required for *testing* belong in > > build_requires really depends on whether you view testing as an > > integral part of the build process. This is something that is likely > > to depend on the *builder