Re: Kwalitee in your dependencies (was CPAN Upload: etc etc)

2006-01-29 Thread Adam Kennedy
And for the record, there are modules with incorrect C concerning the Perl version. For example, some ask a Perl 5.005 while they perfectly work on 5.004, like File::Temp and Test::Reporter. That's how I can send CPAN Testers reports under 5.004: http://testers.cpan.org/show/Net-Pcap.html And t

Re: Fwd: CPAN Upload: D/DO/DOMM/Module-CPANTS-Analyse-0.5.tar.gz

2006-01-29 Thread Adam Kennedy
David Golden wrote: Adam Kennedy wrote: And therein lies the problem. Working out when a dependency is important and when it's useless, or vanity, or lazyness (good or bad) or whatever requires a human judgment call. So we can't really do anything about it. Is it OK to use a lot of depende

Re: YAML and Makefile.PL (was various topics)

2006-01-29 Thread Adam Kennedy
Except for the little fact that you have to bundle Module::Install in all of your modules and need not to forget to add inc/* to MANIFEST - Graph::Easy::As_svg increases from 27K to 47K gzipped That concerned me for a little while as well. But then someone pointed out to me that disk space

Re: Binary distributions

2006-01-29 Thread Tyler MacDonald
Andreas J. Koenig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > FWIW, we're using dh-make-perl to create debian packages from CPAN > modules. Andreas, I've used this tool a few times when a CPAN module wasn't already available in unstable/main, but I havent looked into it too closely. I'm curious, does it

Re: Binary distributions

2006-01-29 Thread Tyler MacDonald
Sébastien Aperghis-Tramoni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Did anybody here have played with CPANPLUS::Dist::Deb? > http://search.cpan.org/dist/CPANPLUS-Dist-Deb/ > > Believing its documentation, it should build a valid Debian package > and take care of its dependencies (dunno if that means just li

Re: Fwd: CPAN Upload: D/DO/DOMM/Module-CPANTS-Analyse-0.5.tar.gz

2006-01-29 Thread Andreas J. Koenig
> On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:42:58 +0100, Tels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I am still considering building something[0] that shows the > module-dependency as a graph to show how "bad" the problem has become. > Even "simple" modules like YAML seem to include everything and the > kitchen-

Re: What am I doing wrong? (Perl, UTF-8 and cyrillic)

2006-01-29 Thread avtanski
Hi Tels & John, I'll try what you said (Monday) and will let you know if it works. Thank you very much, - Alex

Re: Dependency trees was: CPAN Upload: D/DO/DOMM/Module-CPANTS-Analyse-0.5.tar.gz

2006-01-29 Thread Andreas J. Koenig
> On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:26:52 -0800, Luke Closs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > This would allow non-perl people to install perl packages much easier, > without having to mess with the CPAN shell and running tests. It > would also make installing CPAN packages into hosted environments much

Re: Kwalitee in your dependencies (was CPAN Upload: etc etc)

2006-01-29 Thread Sébastien Aperghis-Tramoni
Adam Kennedy wrote: > > Module::Install... 1) I'm allergic to this module, 2) I want to keep > > the backward compatibility with Perl 5.004, and Module::Install is not > > compatible with that version. > > Are you absolutely sure about that? It says it wants to be (and perlver > can't pick up anyt

Re: Fwd: CPAN Upload: D/DO/DOMM/Module-CPANTS-Analyse-0.5.tar.gz

2006-01-29 Thread David Golden
Adam Kennedy wrote: And therein lies the problem. Working out when a dependency is important and when it's useless, or vanity, or lazyness (good or bad) or whatever requires a human judgment call. So we can't really do anything about it. Is it OK to use a lot of dependencies if they all wor

Re: Dependency trees was: CPAN Upload: D/DO/DOMM/Module-CPANTS-Analyse-0.5.tar.gz

2006-01-29 Thread David Golden
Chris Dolan wrote: writing fragile META.yml creation code. YAML.pm is not even at 1.00 yet, so an API change is allowed by convention, and lack of Convention? On CPAN? Are you kidding? By that logic, many of the commonly used tools on CPAN could change API and your answer would be "oh,

Re: YAML and Makefile.PL (was various topics)

2006-01-29 Thread David Landgren
Tels did write: Moin, [...] So, MakeMaker should be fixed to generate proper META.ymls without the kludges nec that I needed. Of course, Schwern wills say "patches welcome" and I am not up to patch MakeMaker :-( (The other way would be the META.yml file for CPAN to be generated, but that

Re: YAML and Makefile.PL (was various topics)

2006-01-29 Thread Tels
On Sunday 29 January 2006 12:51, Tels wrote: > Moin, > > On Sunday 29 January 2006 12:27, Adam Kennedy wrote: > > As I mentioned early, the obvious upgrade path from EU:MM, > > (apparently if you don't care about 5.004 at least) is to > > Module::Install. > > > > For example... > > > > As far as I

Re: YAML and Makefile.PL (was various topics)

2006-01-29 Thread Tels
Moin, On Sunday 29 January 2006 12:27, Adam Kennedy wrote: > As I mentioned early, the obvious upgrade path from EU:MM, (apparently > if you don't care about 5.004 at least) is to Module::Install. > > For example... > As far as I can tell, it does what you want. Except for the little fact that y

Re: YAML and Makefile.PL (was various topics)

2006-01-29 Thread Adam Kennedy
As I mentioned early, the obvious upgrade path from EU:MM, (apparently if you don't care about 5.004 at least) is to Module::Install. For example... Makefile.PL --- use inc::Module::Install; name 'File-ShareDir'; all_from 'lib/File/Share

Re: YAML and Makefile.PL (was various topics)

2006-01-29 Thread Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes
On Sun, Jan 29, 2006 at 12:04:22PM +0100, Tels wrote: > Just witness Graph::Dependency, it will fail when their is no META.yml > available, and what do you want me to do then? Parse Makefile.PLs? The "correct" WTDI is to execute the Makefile.PL and parse the resulting Makefile, looking for the PR

YAML and Makefile.PL (was various topics)

2006-01-29 Thread Tels
Moin, On Sunday 29 January 2006 06:37, you wrote: > Tels, > > Please forgive me for being blunt, but I think it's your fault for > writing fragile META.yml creation code. You are right for the code being fragile. (and no offense taken :) But there was no other way I could get the license field

Re: Dependency trees and ppm

2006-01-29 Thread Tels
Moin, On Sunday 29 January 2006 10:09, Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes wrote: > On Sat, Jan 28, 2006 at 12:02:41AM +0100, Tels wrote: > > Moin, > > > > On Friday 27 January 2006 23:43, Tyler MacDonald wrote: > > > Jeffrey Thalhammer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Randy Kobes distributes Win32 PPMs for

Re: Dependency trees and ppm

2006-01-29 Thread Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes
On Sat, Jan 28, 2006 at 12:02:41AM +0100, Tels wrote: > Moin, > > On Friday 27 January 2006 23:43, Tyler MacDonald wrote: > > Jeffrey Thalhammer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Randy Kobes distributes Win32 PPMs for some of the > > > modules that ActiveState doesn't provide. It is not > > > enti

Re: Fwd: CPAN Upload: D/DO/DOMM/Module-CPANTS-Analyse-0.5.tar.gz

2006-01-29 Thread Adam Kennedy
Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes wrote: On Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 03:42:58PM +0100, Tels wrote: On Thursday 26 January 2006 15:26, Thomas Klausner wrote: I just uploaded Module::CPANTS::Analyse to CPAN. MCA contains most of the previous Kwalitee indicators and some code to check if one distribution tarbal

Re: Fwd: CPAN Upload: D/DO/DOMM/Module-CPANTS-Analyse-0.5.tar.gz

2006-01-29 Thread Adam Kennedy
Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes wrote: On Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 03:42:58PM +0100, Tels wrote: On Thursday 26 January 2006 15:26, Thomas Klausner wrote: I just uploaded Module::CPANTS::Analyse to CPAN. MCA contains most of the previous Kwalitee indicators and some code to check if one distribution tarbal