Re: BackPAN mirror owners: please delete Finance::FuturesQuote

2007-11-27 Thread David Landgren
Shawn Boyette ☠ wrote: On Nov 27, 2007 12:25 PM, chromatic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tuesday 27 November 2007 08:53:52 Jonathan Rockway wrote: What legal precedent is there here? Violating the ToS is the responsibility of the user of the module, not people distributing the module. Would

Re: BackPAN mirror owners: please delete Finance::FuturesQuote

2007-11-27 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* Jan Dubois <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-11-28 02:50]: > This has come up before (e.g. the WWW::EuroTV removal request > in 2003). I still have the same opinion I had back then: > > | I think this discussion is missing the point. It should not > | be: "What can we legally get away with?", but "Do we

RE: BackPAN mirror owners: please delete Finance::FuturesQuote

2007-11-27 Thread Jan Dubois
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007, Jim Schneider wrote: > David Landgren wrote: > > Finance::FuturesQuote scrapes information from a web site that > > offers (I would imagine) futures quotes. > > > > The author of this module has received a cease-and-desist letter > > from the owner of the web site, since the mo

Re: BackPAN mirror owners: please delete Finance::FuturesQuote

2007-11-27 Thread Shawn Boyette ☠
On Nov 27, 2007 12:25 PM, chromatic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday 27 November 2007 08:53:52 Jonathan Rockway wrote: > > > What legal precedent is there here? Violating the ToS is the > > responsibility of the user of the module, not people distributing the > > module. > > Would you also

Re: BackPAN mirror owners: please delete Finance::FuturesQuote

2007-11-27 Thread Jim Schneider
David Landgren wrote: Finance::FuturesQuote scrapes information from a web site that offers (I would imagine) futures quotes. The author of this module has received a cease-and-desist letter from the owner of the web site, since the module is in violation of the Terms of Use. I'm guessing,

Re: BackPAN mirror owners: please delete Finance::FuturesQuote

2007-11-27 Thread David Cantrell
On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 09:25:46AM -0800, chromatic wrote: > On Tuesday 27 November 2007 08:53:52 Jonathan Rockway wrote: > > What legal precedent is there here? Violating the ToS is the > > responsibility of the user of the module, not people distributing the > > module. > Would you also distribu

Re: BackPAN mirror owners: please delete Finance::FuturesQuote

2007-11-27 Thread David Golden
On Nov 27, 2007 12:45 PM, Andy Lester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think he means a legal DoS, where armies of bank-payrolled lawyers > come in and C&D the entire *.cpan.org and *.perl.org infrastructure. This is where I would hope that a small guerrilla force of TPF lawyers to jump in and issue

Re: BackPAN mirror owners: please delete Finance::FuturesQuote

2007-11-27 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* David Landgren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-11-27 17:45]: > PLEASE TRIM FOLLOW-UPS TO PERL-QA ONLY. How on Earth is this topical on perl-qa? I’m replying to perl-qa despite Michael’s request because that’s where the thread now is, but sensible this ain’t. > The author of this module has received a

Re: BackPAN mirror owners: please delete Finance::FuturesQuote

2007-11-27 Thread Jonathan Rockway
On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 20:01 +0100, David Landgren wrote: > I am well aware of the futility of the quest, what with Goggle's cache > in the short term, and things like the Internet Archive and the Wayback > machine in the long term. Nevertheless we have to appear to respond > actively to somethi

Not a QA issue (was Re: BackPAN mirror owners: please delete Finance::FuturesQuote)

2007-11-27 Thread Michael G Schwern
As interesting / important as all this might be or might not be, it has nothing to do with quality assurance. Take it elsewhere. Perhaps Groklaw, they might actually have some legal knowledge. And please don't replace the argument with an argument about how this is somehow related to QA. David

Re: BackPAN mirror owners: please delete Finance::FuturesQuote

2007-11-27 Thread David Landgren
Jonathan Rockway wrote: On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 17:42 +0100, David Landgren wrote: Let's not kill the free software movement by deleting anything that anyone with a lawyer requests to be deleted. I don't think it's anything so serious. It's more like "you played, you lost". The web site owners h

Re: Combatting attempt to censor Finance::FuturesQuote

2007-11-27 Thread David Landgren
Jonathan Rockway a écrit : On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 17:55 +0100, Dominique Quatravaux wrote: All publicly accessible BackPAN mirrors must pull this distribution manually, given that rsync-without-delete won't do it for you. Shucks! Too late. http://kilimandjaro.dyndns.org/~dom/FuturesQuote-0.01.p

Re: BackPAN mirror owners: please delete Finance::FuturesQuote

2007-11-27 Thread chromatic
On Tuesday 27 November 2007 09:45:59 Andy Lester wrote: > I think he means a legal DoS, where armies of bank-payrolled lawyers > come in and C&D the entire *.cpan.org and *.perl.org infrastructure. If I provide a free public resource and you abuse it, I think I have a right to ask you to stop ab

Re: BackPAN mirror owners: please delete Finance::FuturesQuote

2007-11-27 Thread David Golden
On Nov 27, 2007 11:42 AM, David Landgren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The module is currently not available on CPAN, but it still lurks on the > BackPAN (which is where the site owner tracked it down). I don't know > off-hand the exact list of who is currently mirroring, I think there are > two o

Re: BackPAN mirror owners: please delete Finance::FuturesQuote

2007-11-27 Thread Dominique Quatravaux
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andy Lester a écrit : > > I think he means a legal DoS, where armies of bank-payrolled > lawyers come in and C&D the entire *.cpan.org and *.perl.org > infrastructure. Then by all means, start transfering those TLDs over to a Swiss registrar, now! -

Re: BackPAN mirror owners: please delete Finance::FuturesQuote

2007-11-27 Thread Andy Lester
On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 11:31:53AM -0600, Jonathan Rockway ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > Would you also distribute a module which effectively performed a DoS > against > > search.cpan.org and *.perl.org? > > Please delete Firefox from the Internet, since users can click "reload" > repeatedly an

Re: BackPAN mirror owners: please delete Finance::FuturesQuote

2007-11-27 Thread Jonathan Rockway
On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 09:25 -0800, chromatic wrote: > On Tuesday 27 November 2007 08:53:52 Jonathan Rockway wrote: > > > What legal precedent is there here? Violating the ToS is the > > responsibility of the user of the module, not people distributing the > > module. > > Would you also distribut

Re: BackPAN mirror owners: please delete Finance::FuturesQuote

2007-11-27 Thread chromatic
On Tuesday 27 November 2007 08:53:52 Jonathan Rockway wrote: > What legal precedent is there here? Violating the ToS is the > responsibility of the user of the module, not people distributing the > module. Would you also distribute a module which effectively performed a DoS against search.cpan.

Re: BackPAN mirror owners: please delete Finance::FuturesQuote

2007-11-27 Thread Jonathan Rockway
On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 17:42 +0100, David Landgren wrote: > All publicly accessible BackPAN mirrors must pull this distribution > manually, given that rsync-without-delete won't do it for you. What legal precedent is there here? Violating the ToS is the responsibility of the user of the module,

Re: Combatting attempt to censor Finance::FuturesQuote

2007-11-27 Thread Dominique Quatravaux
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jonathan Rockway a écrit : > I recommend we delete the AUTHOR information Done > and distribute this module on thepiratebay. I have no idea how, but feel free to burn some bandwidth by linking to the aforementioned URL. - -- << Tout n'y est pas par

Re: Combatting attempt to censor Finance::FuturesQuote

2007-11-27 Thread Jonathan Rockway
On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 17:55 +0100, Dominique Quatravaux wrote: > > All publicly accessible BackPAN mirrors must pull this distribution > > manually, given that rsync-without-delete won't do it for you. > > Shucks! Too late. > > http://kilimandjaro.dyndns.org/~dom/FuturesQuote-0.01.pm > > Come o

Combatting attempt to censor Finance::FuturesQuote

2007-11-27 Thread Dominique Quatravaux
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David Landgren wrote: > PLEASE TRIM FOLLOW-UPS TO PERL-QA ONLY. Please allow me not to. > All publicly accessible BackPAN mirrors must pull this distribution > manually, given that rsync-without-delete won't do it for you. Shucks! Too late. http://

BackPAN mirror owners: please delete Finance::FuturesQuote

2007-11-27 Thread David Landgren
Hello and apologies for the cross-posting. PLEASE TRIM FOLLOW-UPS TO PERL-QA ONLY. All other non-discussion queries regarding this matter may be directed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Finance::FuturesQuote scrapes information from a web site that offers (I would imagine) futures quotes. The author