Re: Relying more on Mouse

2011-11-25 Thread Ovid
> From: Michael G Schwern >Let's keep our heads.  The whole argument against TB2::Mouse is predicated on >the idea that shipping TB2::Mouse in the core MIGHT cause future maintenance >hassle for p5p.  If the alternatives will cause EVEN MORE maintenance hassle >for p5p and/or CPAN authors... we

Re: Relying more on Mouse

2011-11-25 Thread Michael G Schwern
Once again, I would like to rein this all in. Employing a counter-factual, the WORST CASE is that p5p has to ship a single 110K file which they never have to touch themselves. I am unable to get excited over the consequences. Let's keep our heads. The whole argument against TB2::Mouse is predic

Re: Relying more on Mouse

2011-11-25 Thread David Golden
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Michael G Schwern wrote: > Keeping this all in perspective, TB2::Mouse is one 110K file (compressed down > to 25K) with no POD.  It's part of the Test-Simple distribution.  p5p has to > do NO EXTRA WORK AT ALL to include or maintain it.  It just comes with > Test-S

Re: Relying more on Mouse

2011-11-25 Thread Michael G Schwern
On 2011.11.25 3:04 PM, chromatic wrote: > On Friday, November 25, 2011 at 01:02 PM, Michael G wrote: >> We did it once with Test::Harness::Straps, though not nearly that well >> thought out, and it worked. > > Do you know anyone (besides me) who used it? I know I dealt with some DarkPAN users, b

Re: Relying more on Mouse

2011-11-25 Thread chromatic
On Friday, November 25, 2011 at 01:02 PM, Michael G wrote: > We did it once with Test::Harness::Straps, though not nearly that well > thought out, and it worked. Do you know anyone (besides me) who used it? > I do see a work around. Document that TB2::Mouse can be used, but you MUST > add it a

Re: Relying more on Mouse

2011-11-25 Thread Michael G Schwern
Keeping this all in perspective, TB2::Mouse is one 110K file (compressed down to 25K) with no POD. It's part of the Test-Simple distribution. p5p has to do NO EXTRA WORK AT ALL to include or maintain it. It just comes with Test-Simple like any other .pm file in Test-Simple. If I didn't bring it

Re: Relying more on Mouse

2011-11-25 Thread David Golden
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Michael G Schwern wrote: > I don't think cobbling together an OO system from bits and bobs, and then > relying on it, makes more sense than using a fully baked one Of course, that pretty much describes Perl OO in a nutshell until Moose/Class::MOP came along. And