Re: Test2/Test::Builder release plan

2016-04-07 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 6:03 PM, Chad Granum wrote: > > RJBS and I have spoken, and feel it is time to set a release date for > Test2/Test-Builder. We have agreed that doing it at the QAH in Rugby is a > good time. The plan is to release Test2 and the new Test::Builder as stable > either at the e

Re: new Stream Test::Simple question, XS requirement

2015-04-25 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 11:57 PM, bulk88 wrote: > Since Test::Stream::Context's core design uses weaken() everywhere, that > means new Test::Simple always requires XS building (for Scalar::Util), > which means it will never run on miniperl, and hence, new Test::Simple will > never be in Perl core

Re: Final TPF Devel::Cover grant report

2014-10-07 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 11:42 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > In accordance with the terms of my grant from TPF this is the final report > for > my work on improving Devel::Cover. > > Since the last report I have released versions 1.16 and 1.17. > > The stable release of perl 5.20.1 along with developme

Re: Request for Feedback: cipra C++11 TAP13 library based on Test::More

2014-02-27 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 6:34 PM, Patrick Michael Niedzielski < patrickniedziel...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm sending this email to request some comments on a C++11 library I've > written based on Test::More. I hope this is on topic for this mailing > list. If there are better places for

Re: Discussion/request on Test::More , have it add t/lib to @INC if -d

2014-01-30 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 1:59 AM, Torbjørn Lindahl < torbjorn.lind...@gmail.com> wrote: > > It seems t/lib is a common place to put modules used to support testing, > how about having Test::More push that path to @INC if -d 't/lib' ? It would > save me one , possibly two annoying lines of code in e

Re: TAP::Harness timeout?

2014-01-29 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 6:50 AM, Todd Rinaldo wrote: > I’m looking at using TAP::Harness to process our test suite. Up to now > we’ve been using some home grown code that IMHO is a heroic attempt to > re-implement TAP::Harness. > > It seems to do everything we need with one exception. We have rul

Re: New Test::Builder version broke Test::ParallelSubtest

2014-01-15 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 12:55 AM, Jan Seidel wrote: > > Have you contacted the author? It doesn't look to me like you filed a > bug report. Odds are this is something that could easily be fixed. > > Leon > > Thanks for the recommendation, I opened a bug. I initially skipped this as > I saw anothe

Re: New Test::Builder version broke Test::ParallelSubtest

2014-01-13 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 12:30 AM, Jan Seidel wrote: > Hi, > > > > I’m using the Test::ParallelSubtest module to run multiple tests in > parallel. However, a change in Test::Builder now broke this module. Every > bg_subtest block fails with an error like the following: > > > > not ok 1 - parse ch

Re: How to Port https://metacpan.org/module/Test::Run::Plugin::TrimDisplayedFilenames to TAP::Harness

2013-11-26 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 8:29 PM, Shlomi Fish wrote: > I read that post and have one question: can I easily create several > specialised > plugins and have them all apply their modified behaviours to the relevant > part > of TAP::Harness? Seems like I can only set up a single subclass of the > rel

Re: Perl QA Hackathon 2014

2013-11-12 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 9:19 AM, Philippe Bruhat (BooK) < philippe.bru...@free.fr> wrote: > Hello, > > I am very pleased to announce that the Perl QA Hackathon 2014 will be held > in Lyon, France, in the Booking.com offices (http://goo.gl/maps/mXo15), > from Friday March 14 to Sunday March 16, 201

Re: Test::Simple 1.0!!! (plus 0.001001001)

2013-10-31 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 12:49 PM, David Cantrell wrote: > On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 09:03:59PM -0400, Ricardo Signes wrote: > > > I am sending this as a heads-up because sometimes really twitchy things > are > > really twichy about version numbers, and anything getting really twitchy > about > > Tes

Re: TAP::Harness and -w

2013-09-21 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 6:19 AM, Ricardo Signes wrote: > * Leon Timmermans [2013-09-17T11:26:40] > > Just as I expected, "make it a wiki" means it gets warnocked again. > > > > Can we please make a decision, or if we must first come to an agreement > on > &g

Re: TAP::Harness and -w

2013-09-18 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 1:17 AM, Ricardo Signes wrote: > It looks like Module::Build already has use_tap_harness. So what's > suggested > is a patch to ExtUtils::MM_Any to switch from Test::Harness to > TAP::Harness...? > Or both just setting $Test::Harness::switches = ''… Leon

Re: TAP::Harness and -w

2013-09-17 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 7:13 PM, Mark Stosberg wrote: > I think a pro/con list is a reasonable request. I've read all the > messages myself, am a regular user of Perl's testing tools, and the > benefits and drawbacks are not clear to me either. > > An attempting-to-be-neutral summary would be ver

Re: TAP::Harness and -w

2013-09-17 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Ovid wrote: > I'm winding up with astonishingly little bandwidth due to launching our > company, so I was hoping to see a strong consensus from the users. I would > also love to see examples of where the change or lack thereof is causing an > issue. I am SWAMPED w

Re: QA for Perl

2013-07-31 Thread Leon Timmermans
Hi Tracy, Given your industry, I can readily imagine you need that paperwork. I don't think such a formal document exists, but I do believe perl's QA routine is sufficiently robust that it would pass through that. I suspect we'd know the answers, but not the questions in this matter. We don't kno

Re: TAP::Harness and -w

2013-07-07 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Ovid wrote: > What toolchain software is being impacted by this and how hard would it be to > make the switch? AFAIK only ExtUtils::MakeMaker and Module::Build use it. The latter can already use TAP::Harness, but there are some details we'd might want to fix first

Re: TAP::Harness and -w

2013-07-04 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 8:51 PM, Ricardo Signes wrote: > > I just submitted: > > https://github.com/Perl-Toolchain-Gang/Test-Harness/pull/16 > > ...to document two undocumented changes. First, the removal of "turn on -w by > default with no easy way to turn it off" and secondly the reversion of

Re: How might we mark a test suite isn't parallalizable?

2013-05-03 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 9:39 PM, brian d foy wrote: > In HARNESS_OPTIONS we can set -jN to note we want parallel tests > running, but how can a particular module, which might be buried in the > dependency chain, tell the harness it can't do that? > > It seems to me that by the time the tests are ru

Re: Perl QA Hackathon 2013 / 2014 transition

2013-04-17 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Philippe Bruhat (BooK) < philippe.bru...@free.fr> wrote: > Hi, > > As the main organizer of the next Perl QA Hackathon in Lyon (the venue > is here: http://goo.gl/maps/mXo15), I would like to collect some feedback > on the hackathon that we just came back from, in

Re: Launch of site and sign ups

2013-01-18 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Andy Lester wrote: > On Jan 18, 2013, at 5:08 AM, Mark Keating wrote: >> The hackathon site is up, we are looking for sponsors and attendees. > > > What made you put it up at a new domain, rather than qa.perl.org? I was > surprised. It seems we've been doing th

Re: fork and tests: making it easier

2012-08-06 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 4:02 AM, Michael G Schwern wrote: > On second thought, this has to be turned on explicitly for implementation > reasons, so there's no backwards compat issue. "use Test::SharedFork" would > simply turn on that feature in Test::Builder 1.5 providing a way to smoothly > trans

Re: Revert use_ok() change to allow lexical effects?

2012-04-11 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Ovid wrote: >         my @modules = qw( >           Test::Trap::Builder::TempFile >           Test::Trap::Builder::SystemSafe >           Test::Trap::Builder >           Test::Trap >         ); >         push @modules => 'Test::Trap::Builder::PerlIO' if eval "use P

Re: Revert use_ok() change to allow lexical effects?

2012-04-10 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 11:52 PM, Mike Doherty wrote: > I don't see any discouragement in the documentation... and what's wrong > with use_ok to begin with? If it fails, the module may not be loaded, or partially loaded. In such circumstances, testing the rest of the code can give very confusing

Re: Reconsidering Mouse in TB2

2011-12-05 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 2:26 AM, David E. Wheeler wrote: > *How* much longer? Does the upcoming MOP include syntax (class, method, role > keywords) and stuff like roles? Will one be able to drop Mouse in favor of it? I just asked doy. It will support all of that, but not on older versions of perl

Re: Reconsidering Mouse in TB2

2011-12-05 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 1:35 AM, Michael G Schwern wrote: > As a result of the discussions, I'm now reconsidering using Mouse in TB2.  Its > interesting, it's not for any of the reasons I thought, but for a distressing > encapsulation breech built into Moose. > > The main concern is that the fact t

Re: QA hackathon 2012

2011-11-24 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Philippe Bruhat (BooK) wrote: > Seems the propagation is stuck in the intertubes: > >    $ host 2011.qa-hackathon.org >    2011.qa-hackathon.org is an alias for conferences.mongueurs.net. >    conferences.mongueurs.net is an alias for spectre.mongueurs.net. >    sp

Re: Relying more on Mouse

2011-11-21 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 5:30 PM, David Golden wrote: > My bigger concern would be inclusion of Mouse in core as a dependency, > since the direction of Perl seems to be to have fewer core modules, > not more.  I'd run that discussion by p5p/Ricardo before getting too > tied to Mouse. > > Separately

Re: Discuss change of namespace Test::Builder2 -> TB2?

2011-11-15 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 4:11 AM, Michael G Schwern wrote: > I have written "Test::Builder2" more times than I can count. > > Wait, I can count them.  It occurs at least 1280 times in the distribution. > That's 18,000 keystrokes.  19,000 if you count shift.  It gets a little > tiresome.  That's jus

Re: TAP - Test::More - fork

2011-11-10 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:44 PM, H.Merijn Brand wrote: > Test Summary Report > --- > t/20-uni-basic.t   (Wstat: 139 Tests: 366 Failed: 0) >  Non-zero wait status: 139 > t/21-uni-regex.t   (Wstat: 139 Tests: 18 Failed: 0) >  Non-zero wait status: 139 > Files=19, Tests=3658, 35 wallc

Re: Perl QA Hackathon 2012

2011-11-08 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 1:25 AM, Philippe Bruhat (BooK) wrote: > VENUE > - > > We have two possible venues: > >  ** Carrefour Numérique, Cité des Sciences et de l'Industrie ** > >    Dates: Friday March 30 - Sunday April 1st, 2012 >    Price: free >    Seats: 30 >    Rooms: 1 >    Location: >  

Re: What does t/test.pl do?

2011-11-05 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 1:23 PM, James E Keenan wrote: > In a github issue (https://github.com/schwern/test-more/issues/73), Michael > Schwern argued that Test::Builder2 ought to be tested with a "completely > unrelated test system. We have one, t/test.pl from the Perl core." > > I thought to mysel

Re: Problem with running lots of tests (I think)

2011-11-01 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Buddy Burden wrote: > Okay, this is addressing the "signal 9" ones.  And I'm pursuing the > "out of memory" ones.  Does anyone have any ideas about the "no plan > in output" ones?  Remembering that this is using the latest versions > of Test::More and Test::Harness?

Re: Problem with running lots of tests (I think)

2011-10-31 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 12:56 AM, Buddy Burden wrote: >> t/rand_time.t (Wstat: 9 Tests: 1764021 Failed: 0) >> Non-zero wait status: 9 > >> *** Signal 9 That one is obvious, it has been SIGKILLed. Probably the tester thought the tests were hanging. >> t/rand_time.t (Wstat: 139 Tests: 9

Re: QA hackathon 2012

2011-09-26 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:04 AM, Philippe Bruhat (BooK) wrote: > So we have started to look for venues and sponsors. > > Last year's host and main sponsor won't sponsor us this year, because they > want to sponsor other Perl events (with more attendees). I will talk with > the head of the Paris o

Re: RFC: Private CPAN In A Box

2011-05-24 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 10:17 PM, David Golden wrote: > Then, given one of those three ordered list of tarballs that satisfy > all prereqs, it should be possibly to repeatably deploy an application > with a known set of module versions, even as the "latest" on CPAN > evolves. That could get a bit

Re: post-install testing

2011-04-13 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 6:40 AM, Ovid wrote: > 3. Possible cooperation from the CPAN, CPANPLUS, CPANM and other maintainers > (see point 1). >From the CPAN client's point of view, installing means executing either «make install» or «./Build install». The actual installing is done by ExtUtils::Ins

Re: QA Hack directions?

2011-04-11 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Ricardo Signes wrote: > Thanks, but I'm afraid I wasn't clear about what I was looking for.  I need to > know how to get from the airport to the hotels or thereabouts.  Using the > address string you used in your Google maps link on the wiki, I can get a > somewhat

Re: QA Hack directions?

2011-04-10 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 5:26 PM, Ricardo Signes wrote: > The QA hackathon wiki suggests that directions to the hotels can be found at > http://2011.qa-hackathon.org/qa2011/wiki?node=Accommodation but I do not see > any, and Google Maps wants to give me directions to Kerkweg and can't find a > Kerk