E R skribis 2007-10-22 11:47 (-0500):
> I think I'm trying to make a slightly different point: part of what
> Encode::encode MUST do is to create a Perl string with a particular
> internal representation. For example, in:
> $a = Encode::encode(...);
> chop($b = $a."\x{101}");
> we have $a eq $b
On 10/22/07, Juerd Waalboer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There's an alternative way of viewing this: there are two types of
> strings: binary and text. If you encode text, you get binary.
I think I'm trying to make a slightly different point: part of what
Encode::encode MUST do is to create a Per
E R skribis 2007-10-22 7:01 (-0500):
> So this raises another interesting point... not only must
> Encode::encode et al. perform the proper encoding (as in translations
> to character ordinals), but they also must return a Perl string whose
> internal representation is, shall we say, the "conventi
On 10/19/07, Juerd Waalboer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> E R skribis 2007-10-19 17:14 (-0500):
> > So it seems that in light of this one should always use Encode::encode with
> > these modules to ensure the data is represented the way you want it.
>
> Encode::encode, Encode::encode_utf8, or utf8::e
E R skribis 2007-10-19 17:14 (-0500):
> The problem I need to understand now is the following:
> # using mod_perl 1.28
> # note: binmode(STDOUT, ":utf8") has no effect
> $r->print($x); # emits 1 octet
> $r->print($y); # emits 2 octets
> I get similar behavior when storing $y into an Oracle
On 10/18/07, Juerd Waalboer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> E R skribis 2007-10-18 16:21 (-0500):
...
> To be honest, I'm not sure you know enough about Perl's string model to
> be giving a presentation about Unicode in Perl. You just learnt very
> important aspects, and from the things you write, I'd
E R skribis 2007-10-18 16:21 (-0500):
> I should have added that in my presentation I am attempting to present
> Perl strings from a character set agnostic perspective.
That is silly, because Perl itself is not at all character set agnostic.
It has unicode strings and it has binary strings, but t
John Delacour skribis 2007-10-18 20:24 (+0100):
> >They are "characters outside the latin-1 range".
> Latin-1 has nothing to do with it.
Blocks of characters have names in Unicode. One of those names is
"Latin-1 Supplement".
It has a lot to do with it.
However, I was mistaken: "latin-1" in Unico
At 02:24 PM 10/18/2007, John Delacour wrote:
Juerd Waalboer wrote:
E R skribis 2007-10-18 9:50 (-0500):
I'm preparing a presentation about Perl and Unicode support, and I'd
like to give a name for characters with ordinals above 255. Is there a
good name for that class?
They are "characters ou
I should have added that in my presentation I am attempting to present
Perl strings from a character set agnostic perspective. So, even
though there is a strong bias for Perl to treat character ordinals >
255 as Unicode code-points, I don't want people to automatically think
Unicode when encounteri
Juerd Waalboer wrote:
E R skribis 2007-10-18 9:50 (-0500):
I'm preparing a presentation about Perl and Unicode support, and I'd
like to give a name for characters with ordinals above 255. Is there a
good name for that class?
They are "characters outside the latin-1 range".
Latin-1 has nothi
Georg Bauhaus skribis 2007-10-18 17:01 (+0200):
> Isn't it about time to find a good name for crippled character sets
> with ordinals below 256 only?
These are "single byte encodings". I prefer to add the word "legacy"
too.
--
Met vriendelijke groet, Kind regards, Korajn salutojn,
Juerd Waal
E R skribis 2007-10-18 9:50 (-0500):
> I'm preparing a presentation about Perl and Unicode support, and I'd
> like to give a name for characters with ordinals above 255. Is there a
> good name for that class?
They are "characters outside the latin-1 range".
> How about "extended characters"???
Dear Georg,
> Isn't it about time to find a good name for crippled character sets
> with ordinals below 256 only? Otherwise Unicode characters will
> continue to be considered the special case...
>
Legacy encodings.
Nicely derogatory and generally accepted.
Yours,
Martin
On Thu, 2007-10-18 at 09:50 -0500, E R wrote:
> I'm preparing a presentation about Perl and Unicode support, and I'd
> like to give
> a name for characters with ordinals above 255. Is there a good name
> for that class?
Isn't it about time to find a good name for crippled character sets
with ordin
I'm preparing a presentation about Perl and Unicode support, and I'd
like to give
a name for characters with ordinals above 255. Is there a good name
for that class?
How about "extended characters"???
ER
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