At 9:18 PM -0400 4/17/04, Gordon Henriksen wrote:
Dan Sugalski wrote:
Brent 'Dax' Royal-Gordon wrote:
Dan Sugalski wrote:
3) Parrot itself (the main executable) has a static, global 1K
buffer in it that starts and ends with some recognizable string
(like, say, ***+++***START| and |END
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written in languages without named parameters. (Like, say, all the
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At 1:50 PM -0400 4/19/04, John Siracusa wrote:
On 4/19/04 1:41 PM, Dan Sugalski wrote:
At 1:14 PM -0400 4/19/04, John Siracusa wrote:
I know we are running out of special characters, but I really, really think
that required named parameters are a natural fit for many common APIs.
Well... maybe
the
freeze format directly, but that's not tenable as a full solution.
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sane? I can see splitting up the library base path into
sections, but I'm not sure it's worth it. Now'd be the time to argue
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At 6:23 PM +0300 4/15/04, Jarkko Hietaniemi wrote:
Dan Sugalski wrote:
At 8:20 AM +0300 4/15/04, Jarkko Hietaniemi wrote:
TT (Tangentially Topical): it would be nice if Parrot could avoid as
many hardcoded paths as possible for configs, libraries, and such, so
that the Parrot installation could
At 8:35 AM -0700 4/15/04, Jeff Clites wrote:
On Apr 15, 2004, at 7:24 AM, Dan Sugalski wrote:
Sound sane? I can see splitting up the library base path into
sections, but I'm not sure it's worth it. Now'd be the time to
argue that, though :)
Makes sense to me to just store the path--keep
At 8:54 AM -0700 4/15/04, Jeff Clites wrote:
On Apr 15, 2004, at 8:41 AM, Dan Sugalski wrote:
At 8:35 AM -0700 4/15/04, Jeff Clites wrote:
On Apr 15, 2004, at 7:24 AM, Dan Sugalski wrote:
Sound sane? I can see splitting up the library base path into
sections, but I'm not sure it's worth
At 9:05 AM -0700 4/15/04, Brent 'Dax' Royal-Gordon wrote:
Dan Sugalski wrote:
3) Parrot itself (the main executable) has a static, global 1K
buffer in it that starts and ends with some recognizable string
(like, say, ***+++***START| and |END***+++***) so we can find
it and overwrite
At 10:23 AM -0700 4/15/04, Jeff Clites wrote:
On Apr 15, 2004, at 9:36 AM, Dan Sugalski wrote:
At 8:54 AM -0700 4/15/04, Jeff Clites wrote:
On Apr 15, 2004, at 8:41 AM, Dan Sugalski wrote:
At 8:35 AM -0700 4/15/04, Jeff Clites wrote:
On Apr 15, 2004, at 7:24 AM, Dan Sugalski wrote:
Sound sane
in the absence of
The Plan(tm).
The Plan is in progress, though I admit I'm tempted to hit easier and
less controvertial things (like, say, threads or events) first.
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At 1:39 PM +0200 4/14/04, Michael Scott wrote:
On 13 Apr 2004, at 23:43, Dan Sugalski wrote:
I've been assuming it's a left-side wins, as you're tacking onto an
existing string, so you'd get English in all cases. Alternately you
could get an exception. The end result of a mixed-language
to to make it so.
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At 7:42 AM +0100 4/13/04, Piers Cawley wrote:
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At 6:53 PM +0100 4/8/04, Mark Sparshatt wrote:
I've got a couple of questions about Atrributes in Parrot.
PDD15 says that both classes and objects have a list of attributes and
it is possible to add or remove
At 10:42 AM +0300 4/13/04, Jarkko Hietaniemi wrote:
Matt Fowles wrote:
Dan~
I know that you are not technically required to defend your position,
but I would like an explanation of one part of this plan.
Dan Sugalski wrote:
4) We will *not* use ICU for core functions. (string to number
it in the repository as build_tools/list_unjitted.pl.
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At 4:26 PM +0200 4/13/04, Leopold Toetsch wrote:
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This looks quite nice and works as a standalone utility, so I'll put
it in the repository as build_tools/list_unjitted.pl.
or tools/dev as it isn't quite required for building parrot?
That works too--I don't
At 5:52 PM +0200 4/13/04, Leopold Toetsch wrote:
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At 4:26 PM +0200 4/13/04, Leopold Toetsch wrote:
or tools/dev as it isn't quite required for building parrot?
That works too--I don't really care as long as it's in. :) If you
want to move it go ahead
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At 1:55 PM -0400 4/13/04, Aaron Sherman wrote:
Ok, I'm still lost on the language thing. I'm not arguing, I just don't
get it, and I feel that if I'm going to do some of the things that I
want to for Perl 6, I'm going to have to get it.
On Mon, 2004-04-12 at 11:43, Dan Sugalski wrote:
Language
At 12:44 PM -0700 4/13/04, Brent 'Dax' Royal-Gordon wrote:
Dan Sugalski wrote:
1) Parrot will *not* require Unicode. Period. Ever.
My old 8MB Visor Prism thanks you.
:) As does my gameboy.
*) Transform stream of bytes to and from a set of 32-bit integers
*) Manages byte buffer (so buffer
At 10:44 PM +0200 4/13/04, Michael Scott wrote:
On 12 Apr 2004, at 17:43, Dan Sugalski wrote:
IW: Mush together (either concatenate or substr replacement) two
strings of different languages but same charset
TP: Checks to see if that's allowed. If not, an exception is
thrown. If so, we do
At 11:28 PM +0200 4/13/04, Michael Scott wrote:
On 13 Apr 2004, at 22:48, Dan Sugalski wrote:
Note that the language might be Dunno. :) There'll be a default
that's assigned to input data and suchlike things, and the language
markers in the strings can be overridden by code.
Would
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According to the IBM website, ICU triggers a GCC bug in the gcc 3.x
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works. I'll put a patch in.
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I just checked in a patch for the problems building the data files.
If the folks having problems could try it out that'd be great. (Works
for me locally, but...)
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it to be, but it already is, so we deal.
This all is not, as of yet, entirely non-negotiable, though I've yet
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At 5:23 PM +0200 4/12/04, Marcus Thiesen wrote:
On Monday 12 April 2004 17:01, Dan Sugalski wrote:
I just checked in a patch for the problems building the data files.
If the folks having problems could try it out that'd be great. (Works
for me locally, but...)
Seems to work, I get now an all
At 5:14 PM +0100 4/12/04, Alberto Manuel Brandao Simoes wrote:
Dan,
as soon as you put the patch in, say so I can update cvs and re-test.
It's in. :)
Dan Sugalski wrote:
According to the IBM website, ICU triggers a GCC bug in the gcc 3.x
series--you can't compile with the -O2 optimization
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At 6:02 PM +0200 4/12/04, Leopold Toetsch wrote:
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--- math.ops 23 Mar 2004 07:27:51 - 1.15
+++ math.ops 12 Apr 2004 14:59:12 - 1.16
@@ -601,6 +601,8 @@
=item Bmul(out INT, in INT, in INT)
+=item Bmul(out INT, in INT, in NUM
it) until you've had a chance to make your pitch, though.
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At 8:46 PM +0100 4/12/04, Jonathan Worthington wrote:
I've attached the patches, and (fingers crossed) this will get Parrot going
on Win32 again.
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the system ICU
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At 6:29 PM +0200 4/9/04, Leopold Toetsch wrote:
Dan Sugalski wrote:
But... this gets us very much closer to where we want to be, and
I'm figuring that we're better off applying this and working out
the kinks than not. I'll leave this one to Leo to make final
decision on, though.
Thanks Dan
At 9:20 AM -0700 4/9/04, Jeff Clites wrote:
On Apr 9, 2004, at 8:07 AM, Dan Sugalski wrote:
At 4:19 PM +0200 4/9/04, Leopold Toetsch wrote:
Jeff Clites [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've sent my patch in through RT--it's [perl #28405]!
Phew, that's huge. I'd really like to have smaller patches
Once we get the ICU patch all nailed down and working, perhaps it's
time to start a push to 0.1.1. (Or 0.2.0, I guess, if we deem it
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At 1:55 PM -0700 4/9/04, Adam Thomason wrote:
From: Dan Sugalski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Done. It'll guaranteed kill half the tinderboxen--I think my first
thing to do on monday is to patch up the build procedure to use the
system ICU if it's available.
Does this mean you're resigned
At 11:00 PM +0200 4/7/04, Jens Rieks wrote:
On Wednesday 07 April 2004 21:57, Dan Sugalski wrote:
At 8:50 AM +0200 4/7/04, Leopold Toetsch wrote:
3) we need some scheme to organize lib paths
We might want to think about library metadata as well. I'm
half-tempted to go with a full-blown
At 8:52 AM -0700 4/8/04, Jeff Clites wrote:
On Apr 7, 2004, at 10:45 AM, Dan Sugalski wrote:
At 10:27 AM -0700 4/7/04, Jeff Clites wrote:
It has taken me longer than I expected to carve out some time to
work on finishing my ICU/string patch, but it's progressing now,
and I just finished
The
Big Cheese (or whoever is to take the decision) to go for this scheme.
I'm fine with this -- go ahead and put the patches in.
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namespace, which is probably the right answer for the moment, though
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At 6:04 PM -0400 4/6/04, Randy W. Sims wrote:
On 4/6/2004 11:06 AM, Dan Sugalski wrote:
At 6:12 AM -0400 4/4/04, Randy W. Sims wrote:
[Scheme 1: hierarchy munging]
[Scheme 2: loadable-library style plugins]
Is there anything in the above that stands out as potentially
being problematic?
Well
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vtable-ing the
things won't buy us anything but a performance hit.
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At 10:29 PM -0800 4/1/04, chromatic wrote:
On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 09:39, Dan Sugalski wrote:
Okay, here's a sketch of where I'm going with the initialization,
finalization, and fallback method locating. We need to do this
because we're in the semi-unenviable position of supporting multiple
, but
for that to happen we first have to *have* a built-in event handling
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At 8:04 PM +0200 4/6/04, Jens Rieks wrote:
Hi,
sorry, this message was meant to go to chromatic only.
I modified my mail client setting to automatically add the mailinglist address
some weeks ago, I should revert to the old settings :-)
On Tuesday 06 April 2004 19:46, Dan Sugalski wrote:
At 7:42
At 1:24 PM -0600 4/6/04, Luke Palmer wrote:
Dan Sugalski writes:
I'm OK with moving the return continuation out of P1 and into
somewhere else--I can even see throwing it on the control stack. (Or
a special register, I can live with that as well)
I'd like to express my vote of confidence
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. The repository path is /cvs/publoc.
What you're using's very old, though there was a temporary symlink in
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At 10:59 PM +0200 3/31/04, Leopold Toetsch wrote:
Dan Sugalski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Or something equally manager-speaky.
Ok all ...
*) Fix hash.c. (Though it may not be broken. Signs are good, though)
which indications do you have that something is broken here?
I'm not sure, but folks have
At 10:27 PM +0100 3/31/04, Tim Bunce wrote:
On Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 01:42:30PM -0500, Dan Sugalski wrote:
Or something equally manager-speaky.
It's time to be looking towards a 0.1.1 release. There's been some
overhaul of the internals and fleshing out of some features, so I
think we're well
At 10:43 PM +0100 3/31/04, Jens Rieks wrote:
Hi,
On Wednesday 31 March 2004 20:42, Dan Sugalski wrote:
*) Get continuations all nailed down. There seems to be some
lingering problems in the system I'd like identified with tests and
fixed
*) Get lexical pad operations spec'd out and possibly
certainly be a Good Thing.
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At 7:02 PM +0100 3/30/04, Jens Rieks wrote:
Hi,
On Tuesday 30 March 2004 18:57, Dan Sugalski wrote:
I just checked in stub code for the PMCArray and StringArray classes.
I've attached a patch for the data dumper.
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may well go, but I'm not sure if I'll be able to do so) And no, I
have no more detail than this.
Forward begins=
A (Grand?) Unified Theory of Storage Reclamation
Speaker: David F. Bacon
Host:
At 8:16 PM +0200 3/29/04, Leopold Toetsch wrote:
Dan Sugalski wrote:
At 8:40 AM +0100 3/27/04, Leopold Toetsch wrote:
A short question WRT implementation: shouldn't all MMD functions just
use one function slot? You now seem to duplicate the whole table.
Yes, I do.
Did you consider ussng PMCs
At 8:40 AM +0100 3/27/04, Leopold Toetsch wrote:
Dan Sugalski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, I'm doing these, because I need 'em, and we might as well get the
things in now. For the record, these things will be called as
functions (not methods), with three parameters, so the signature
looks like
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At 10:29 AM -0800 3/29/04, chromatic wrote:
On Mon, 2004-03-29 at 10:23, Dan Sugalski wrote:
Ultimately it ought to be doable to have the JIT,
on JIT capable systems, construct custom C function headers which
means we could skip the second table *and* not bother with PMCs or
anything equally
At 3:55 PM +0100 3/29/04, Piers Cawley wrote:
Dan Sugalski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I finally figured out why the windows machine wasn't showing in the
tinderbox, and fixed that. (System dates. D'oh!) We now have (again) a
reliable windows machine building parrot for test, both under Cygwin
At 11:12 AM +0100 3/27/04, Leopold Toetsch wrote:
Dan Sugalski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[ mmd functions ]
Another question:
,--[ pdd15 ]--
|While vtable methods may take a continuation, those
|continuations may not escape
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At 7:38 AM +0100 3/27/04, Leopold Toetsch wrote:
Dan Sugalski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This becomes a bit less efficient when we're looking at intermediate
values of expressions. Something like:
a = b + c + d
turns to
new $P0, SomeIntermediateType
add $P0, b, c
add
At 9:40 PM +0200 3/29/04, Leopold Toetsch wrote:
Dan Sugalski wrote:
You've got me confused here.
Well, the question is: Is it allowed to create a continuation in one
subroutine with the destination label being in a different
subroutine?
Oh, OK.
Erm. No. Mostly.
Subs must be considered self
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At 10:28 PM +0200 3/29/04, Leopold Toetsch wrote:
Dan Sugalski wrote:
[ cvs ci library/vtable_constants.pasm ]
Isn't working IMHO. C.const int .. is PIR syntax. *And* that file
could be easily auto-created like almost all inside
Fruntime/parrot/include/
Ah, damn, that's what I get
At 10:24 PM +0200 3/29/04, Leopold Toetsch wrote:
Dan Sugalski wrote:
At 8:16 PM +0200 3/29/04, Leopold Toetsch wrote:
Did you consider ussng PMCs as instead of plain function pointers.
As outlined a NCI, C, and PASM Sub PMC would be equally just
invoke()d.
Yeah, I did. You end up
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At 11:01 PM -0500 3/25/04, Will Coleda wrote:
Would a patch be accepted that let split work on non empty strings
(not treated as REs) as a stopgap until RE support?
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At 10:12 AM + 3/26/04, Harry Jackson wrote:
Dan Sugalski wrote:
I've fixed up the dependency problem in the makefile generation
that was getting in the way of multithreaded makes. Shouldn't cause
any problems, but it never hurts to double-check these things
elsewhere.
Was that were make -jN
At 4:34 PM +0100 3/26/04, Leopold Toetsch wrote:
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At 6:46 PM +0100 3/17/04, Leopold Toetsch wrote:
Or: after the 1st delegate lookup create a JITed stub
Which is swell, except for that pesky can't-guarantee-a-JIT thing... :)
I've running that now
/bdshowbuild.cgi?tree=parrot
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At 7:26 PM +0100 3/26/04, Leopold Toetsch wrote:
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The cygwin build sorta kinda works OK, but the link fails because of
a missing _inet_pton. I seem to remember this cropping up in the past
and I thought we'd gotten it fixed, but apparently not.
Kind
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At 1:06 PM -0500 3/24/04, Joe Schaefer wrote:
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At 5:48 PM -0500 3/23/04, Joe Schaefer wrote:
[...]
IMO, the advantage would be that parrot apps will have a better idea
of what security model is appropriate.
Well... maybe.
Parrot apps don't get
platform-specific
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don't know how to put restrictions on all of these
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At any rate, perl 5's Safe module is a good example of the Wrong Way
to do security, and as such we're going to take it as a cautionary
tale rather than a template.
Ok. What about Ponie?
What about
these stacks should look like.
I tried this out, and it's mildly faster, except where it isn't. I'm
comfortable with this going in, and we can refine it afterwards.
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At 2:50 PM + 3/24/04, Rafael Garcia-Suarez wrote:
Dan Sugalski wrote in perl.perl6.internals :
At 2:50 PM +0100 3/24/04, Leopold Toetsch wrote:
Dan Sugalski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At any rate, perl 5's Safe module is a good example of the Wrong Way
to do security, and as such we're
At 5:48 PM -0500 3/23/04, Joe Schaefer wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dan Sugalski) writes:
[...]
#s 34 deal with security. This... this is a dodgier issue. Security's
easy to get wrong and hard to get right. (Though quotas are
straightforward enough. Mostly) And once the framework's in place
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