Re: RFC 91 (v2) Builtin: part

2000-09-05 Thread David L. Nicol
In order to work with lists of arbitary size, it is often necessary to split a list into equal sized sub-lists. A Cpart function is proposed that achieves this: Are the sublists copies or aliases? I imagine they are aliases, but this could be specified in the RFC --

Re: The distinction between do BLOCK while COND and EXPR while COND should go

2000-09-05 Thread Peter Scott
At 01:45 PM 9/4/00 -0600, Tom Christiansen wrote: package main; sub fn { return (3, 5, 7) } tie $x, 'MaiTai'; $x = fn; $ /tmp/foo STORE: 7 Why don't I see three STOREs? Because Perl is too clever to bother. :-) Hey, waitaminute. That isn't a list in sub fn in the first place; it's

Re: The distinction between do BLOCK while COND and EXPR while COND should go

2000-09-05 Thread Tom Christiansen
Hey, waitaminute. That isn't a list in sub fn in the first place; it's three expressions separated by scalar commas. Why is there no complaint about useless use of a constant in void context? $ perl -Mstrict -wle 'sub f{return(3,5,7)} my $x = f()' $ perl -Mstrict -wle 'my $x = (3,5,7)'

Re: RFC 39 (v3) Perl should have a print operator

2000-09-05 Thread Jon Ericson
Tom Christiansen wrote: Perl already *has* a print operator: "print". :-) I think what I really want is a tee operator. The problem with what you have there is that it hides the act of output within an arbitrarily long circumfix operator whose terminating portion is potentially very far

Re: RFC 39 (v3) Perl should have a print operator

2000-09-05 Thread Tom Christiansen
This is what I'd consider good style: my @output = map { $_-[0] } sort { $a-[1] cmp $b-[1] } map { [$_, expensive_func($_)] } # print original lines ; (Modified from http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=9108) The main point of this statement is the Schwartzian

Re: RFC 39 (v3) Perl should have a print operator

2000-09-05 Thread Nathan Wiger
Jon Ericson wrote: I would want it to return @items: @sorted = sort print @items; I'd prefer a different name (tee?) and keep print as it is. Pretty much all the stuff being discussed right now can be stuck in a module: package Print::Variations; use Exporter; @EXPORT =

Re: RFC 39 Perl should have a print operator

2000-09-05 Thread Eryq
Jon Ericson wrote: I had considered this, but I don't want Yet Another Quote-like Operator (YAQO). Perhaps I should just change this RFC to call for a built-in tee operator: push @lines, tee($_) for ; I would vote strongly against a built-in "tee" operator. You can achieve the same

Re: RFC 193 (v1) Objects : Core support for method delegation

2000-09-05 Thread Piers Cawley
Michael G Schwern [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 09:53:39PM -, Perl6 RFC Librarian wrote: Objects : Core support for method delegation I like it! One gripe (of course)... The proposed delegation mechanism would work via a pragma: use delegation

Re: RFC 193 (v1) Objects : Core support for method delegation

2000-09-05 Thread Nathan Wiger
Damian Conway wrote: attr3 = [ALL] It was (and is) a good suggestion. I suspect however that it should be attr3 = [__ALL__] Any consideration given to the :all export-like tag? attr3 = [:all]# could be uppercase too -Nate

Re: RFC 193 (v1) Objects : Core support for method delegation

2000-09-05 Thread Damian Conway
When you want to turn off an inherited delegation in an ISA situation? Um, I don't think I understand the question. I'm confused by the question, too. Delegation is not inherited. Any module you inherit from you won't use for delegation, AFAIK. They're two different

Re: RFC 188 (v1) Objects : Private keys and methods

2000-09-05 Thread Tom Christiansen
exists (sometimes causes autovivification, which affects Ckeys) That's not technically accurate--exists never causes autovivification. print keys %hash, "\n"; exists $hash{key}{subkey}; print keys %hash, "\n"; Or did that get fixed when I wasn't looking?

Re: RFC 193 (v1) Objects : Core support for method delegation

2000-09-05 Thread Piers Cawley
Perl6 RFC Librarian [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This and other RFCs are available on the web at http://dev.perl.org/rfc/ =head1 TITLE Objects : Core support for method delegation I *want* this. Delegation is cool. Delegation that gets set up at compile time and is marked as such and can

Re: RFC 193 (v1) Objects : Core support for method delegation

2000-09-05 Thread Graham Barr
On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 09:53:39PM -, Perl6 RFC Librarian wrote: The proposed delegation mechanism would work via a pragma: use delegation attr1 = [qw( method1 method2 method3 )], attr2 = [qw( method4 method5 )], attr3 = [],

Re: RFC 145 (alternate approach)

2000-09-05 Thread Nathan Wiger
I think it's cool too, I don't like the @^g and ^@G either. But I worry about the double-meaning of the []'s in your solution, and the fact that these: /\m[...]...\M/; /\d[...]...\D/; Will work so differently. Maybe another character like ()'s that takes a list: /\m(,[).*?\M(,])/;

Re: RFC 145 (alternate approach)

2000-09-05 Thread David Corbin
Nathan Wiger wrote: I think it's cool too, I don't like the @^g and ^@G either. But I worry about the double-meaning of the []'s in your solution, and the fact that these: /\m[...]...\M/; /\d[...]...\D/; Well, it's not really a double meaning. It's a set of characters, just like

Re: RFC 145 (alternate approach)

2000-09-05 Thread Nathan Wiger
Richard Proctor wrote: No ?] should match the closest ?[ it should nest the ?[s bound by any brackets in the regex and act accordingly. Good point. Also this does not work as a definition of simple bracket matching as you need ( to match ) not ( to match (. A ?[ list should specify for

Re: RFC 145 (alternate approach)

2000-09-05 Thread David L. Nicol
David Corbin wrote: I've got some vague ideas on solving all of these, I'll go into if people like the basic concept enough. not just in regexes, but in general, a way to extend the set of bratches that Perl knows about would be very nice. for instance it is very difficult for people using

Re: RFC 145 (alternate approach)

2000-09-05 Thread Richard Proctor
On Tue 05 Sep, David Corbin wrote: Nathan Wiger wrote: But, how about a new ?m operator? /(?m|[).*?(?M|])/; Let's combine yor operator with my example from above where everything inside the (?m) or the ?(M) fits the syntax of a RE. /(?m()|\[).*?(?M()|(\]))

Re: RFC 145 (alternate approach)

2000-09-05 Thread Eric Roode
I think David's on to something good here. A major problem with holding the bracket-matching possibilities in a special variable (or a pair of them) is that one can't figure out what the RE is going to do just by looking at it -- you have to look elsewhere. Nathan Wiger wrote: I think it's cool

Re: RFC 114 (v2) Perl resource configuration

2000-09-05 Thread Ariel Scolnicov
"Greg Rollins" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Would the rc support module loading? In other words, a sysadmin might want to give access to certain Perl modules to his/her users, and not to other users. That's the only use I can think of for dynamic Perl config. BTW, it's not something I'm

Re: Change ($one, $two)= behavior for optimization? (was Re: RFC 175 (v1) Add Clist keyword toforce list context (like Cscalar))

2000-09-05 Thread Graham Barr
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 11:16:48AM +1100, Damian Conway wrote: By RFC 21, it looks like the call would be if ( want 'LIST' ) { $num_to_return = want; # do stuff } or, more efficiently: if ( ($num_to_return) = want 'LIST' ) {

Re: Change ($one, $two)= behavior for optimization? (was Re: RFC 175 (v1) Add Clist keyword toforce list context (like Cscalar))

2000-09-05 Thread Damian Conway
if ( ($num_to_return) = want 'LIST' ) { # do stuff } And more correct as I would assume that () = some_func(); $num_to_return would be zero, but the assignment would cause the if() to be true. A scalar context Cwant would

Re: Change ($one, $two)= behavior for optimization? (was Re: RFC 175(v1) Add Clist keyword toforce list context (like Cscalar))

2000-09-05 Thread Nathan Wiger
Damian Conway wrote: if ( ($num_to_return) = want 'LIST' ) { # do stuff } $num_to_return would be zero, but the assignment would cause the if() to be true. A scalar context Cwant would also need to DWIM, presumably by returning "0,

Re: Change ($one, $two)= behavior for optimization? (was Re: RFC 175 (v1) Add Clist keyword toforce list context (like Cscalar))

2000-09-05 Thread Bart Lateur
On Wed, 6 Sep 2000 05:33:27 +1100 (EST), Damian Conway wrote: A scalar context Cwant would also need to DWIM, presumably by returning "0, but true" in that (unusual) situation. I don't understand the existence of that phrase, and the fact that it doesn't give a warning when used in numerical

Re: Change ($one, $two)= behavior for optimization? (was Re: RFC 175(v1) Add Clist keyword toforce list context (like Cscalar))

2000-09-05 Thread Damian Conway
A scalar context Cwant would also need to DWIM, presumably by returning "0, but true" in that (unusual) situation. Actually, given Damian's and my conversations last night, it looks like the first return arg from want() is going to be the context after all (since then

Re: RFC 179 (v1) More functions from set theory to manipulate arrays

2000-09-05 Thread David L. Nicol
=head1 ABSTRACT When programming in perl we need really often to calculate union, intersection, difference between arrays. It will be cool if such functions could be part of the perl6 language. Arrays/Lists are ordered, sets are not. For sets, hashes are a better perl representation.

Re: RFC 179 (v1) More functions from set theory to manipulate arrays

2000-09-05 Thread John Porter
David L. Nicol wrote: For sets, hashes are a better perl representation. I think you must have missed some of this discussion. Rather than reiterate my contributions, I'll point you into the archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/perl6-language%40perl.org/msg03425.html

Re: RFC 130 (v5) Transaction-enabled variables for Perl6

2000-09-05 Thread Bart Lateur
On Tue, 5 Sep 2000 10:48:45 +0200, dLux wrote: /--- On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 07:18:56PM -0500, Greg Rollins wrote: | Will perl monitor the commit and rollback actions of transactions? \--- What exactly you mean? And did you have to quote 500+ lines of the RFC just to add this one sentence? --

Re: RFC 130 (v5) Transaction-enabled variables for Perl6

2000-09-05 Thread dLux
/--- On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 07:18:56PM -0500, Greg Rollins wrote: | Will perl monitor the commit and rollback actions of transactions? \--- What exactly you mean? dLux -- This message is READ-ONLY