Learning curve (was Re: Perl6 Operator List)

2002-10-26 Thread Michael Lazzaro
Chris Dutton wrote: So many operators... Well, this seems a good as time as any to jump in with what's been sticking in my brain for a while now. Last June, Simon C. wrote a little philosophical thing, Half measures all around, which generated the appropriate amount of good discussion. I want

Re: Learning curve (was Re: Perl6 Operator List)

2002-10-26 Thread Simon Cozens
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Lazzaro) writes: But our version of understandable still means a steep, steep learning curve. It's worse than that; for practitioners of many languages, the learning curve has a 180 degree turn. Quick: what are the bitwise operators in Java, JavaScript, C, C++, C#,

Re: Learning curve (was Re: Perl6 Operator List)

2002-10-26 Thread Philippe 'BooK' Bruhat
On Sat, 26 Oct 2002, Michael Lazzaro wrote: So lets have _lots_ of operators, and _lots_ of two-to-four-letter barewords, so long as they each do something Big, or something Universal. And let's locale-ize them, so that non-english-speakers can use 'umu' to mean 'bool', etc. Hey, why the

Re: Learning curve (was Re: Perl6 Operator List)

2002-10-26 Thread Larry Wall
On 26 Oct 2002, Simon Cozens wrote: : [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Lazzaro) writes: : But our version of understandable still means a steep, steep learning : curve. : : It's worse than that; for practitioners of many languages, the learning : curve has a 180 degree turn. : : Quick: what are the

Re: Learning curve (was Re: Perl6 Operator List)

2002-10-26 Thread Smylers
Michael Lazzaro wrote: Here's my own argument for using like/unlike, and none, and a bunch of other english-sounding things we haven't even talked about yet. ... I don't think we've put much of a dent in the readability complaints ... I think we need to care about these concerns a _lot_

Re: Learning curve (was Re: Perl6 Operator List)

2002-10-26 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, Oct 26, 2002 at 09:23:19PM -, Smylers wrote: Michael Lazzaro wrote: Here's my own argument for using like/unlike, and none, and a bunch of other english-sounding things we haven't even talked about yet. ... I don't think we've put much of a dent in the readability

Re: Learning curve (was Re: Perl6 Operator List)

2002-10-26 Thread Smylers
Paul Johnson wrote: On Sat, Oct 26, 2002 at 09:23:19PM -, Smylers wrote: I believe that having English aliases would make matters worse. I agree, in general. I was planning on writing something about this. Now I don't have to :-) Pleased to be of help! The only thing I would add,