On Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 10:00:49AM -0400, Andy Dougherty wrote:
On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Nathan Wiger wrote:
Y'know, I couldn't have said this better myself. :-) I've always felt
that "use English" was a waste of time and effort, a bandaid trying to
act as a tourniquet.
I think it's a nice
Andy Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I find that I don't remember many of the less-frequently-used perlvars
(where less-frequently-used depends on the types of programs I write,
obviously). I certainly couldn't tell you off-hand the differences
among $ $ $( and $). I'd have to look
Simon Cozens wrote:
On Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 10:00:49AM -0400, Andy Dougherty wrote:
On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Nathan Wiger wrote:
Y'know, I couldn't have said this better myself. :-) I've always felt
that "use English" was a waste of time and effort, a bandaid trying to
act as a
./sun4-solaris/POSIX.pm:sub isatty {
./sun4-solaris/B/Deparse.pm:sub is_scope {
./sun4-solaris/B/Deparse.pm:sub is_state {
./sun4-solaris/B/Deparse.pm:sub is_miniwhile { # check for one-line loop
(`foo() while $y--')
./sun4-solaris/B/Deparse.pm:sub is_scalar {
./sun4-solaris/B/Deparse.pm:sub
You suggested:
file($file, 'w'); # is it writeable?
That's really insane. The goal was to produce code that's legible.
That is hardly better. It's much worse than is_writable or writable
or whatnot. Just use -w if that's what you want.
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You suggested:
file($file, 'w'); # is it writeable?
Not that I'm advocating it but you do something like:
test($file, WRITEABLE);
test($file, WRITEABLE READABLE);
...
where constants are defined for various "attributes" to be tested for...
Currently 23, or 3 bytes... (not that
Robert Mathews [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Nathan Wiger wrote:
How many people really "use English" other than beginners?
I would use it, but I heard a nasty rumor that it incurs the same
penalty as using $' and such. I try to avoid too much line noise in
code that has to be maintained.
I
Russ Allbery wrote:
I have a very serious problem with use English, namely that it makes Perl
code much more difficult to read and maintain for people who know Perl
... and don't know use English. Why can't they learn to use it? Are
you saying that nothing is worth knowing unless the
Russ Allbery wrote:
I have a very serious problem with use English, namely that it makes Perl
code much more difficult to read and maintain for people who know Perl.
Writing something that's marginally easier to understand for a beginner
and harder to understand for an expert doesn't strike
Robert Mathews [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
... and don't know use English. Why can't they learn to use it?
Why can't the new users of Perl learn the real variable names?
I guess I don't buy the argument that the real names are harder to learn.
Most of them have fairly useful mnemonics, you see
Russ Allbery wrote:
I've found the use of use English in code I had to maintain to be annoying
and unhelpful, and to actually degrade the maintainability of the code
[snip]
I've yet to understand why I'd *want* to use English regularly; so far as
I can tell, it has essentially no benefit in
On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 04:39:32PM -0700, Nathan Wiger wrote:
My personal feeling is that I'd love "use English" to be expunged from
the language altogether - it's unnecessary bloat that only increases the
number of mistakes that people can make. But I'm not sure if I have the
guts to write
Adam Turoff wrote:
On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 04:39:32PM -0700, Nathan Wiger wrote:
My personal feeling is that I'd love "use English" to be expunged from
the language altogether - it's unnecessary bloat that only increases the
number of mistakes that people can make. But I'm not sure if
Nathan Wiger wrote:
In fact, I'd much rather still a more generic function like 'want' that
takes a list of things to check:
file($file, 'd'); # is it a directory?
file($file, 'wd'); # is it a writable directory?
if ( all { $_-($file) } \writable, \directory ) { ...
:-)
Adam Turoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I plan to offer a more formal RFC of this idea.
Z.
=item perl6storm #0101
Just like the "use english" pragma (the modern not-yet-written
version of "use English" module), make something for legible
fileops.
is_readable(file) is really
Ariel Scolnicov wrote:
is_readable(file) is really -r(file)
Has unpleasant syntax saying "is_readable". Should be like normal
English predicates. Get the idea you do. Is better even the Lisp -p
convention!
What's wrong with doing it like I (and maybe a few others) speak, and
I plan to offer a more formal RFC of this idea.
Z.
=item perl6storm #0101
Just like the "use english" pragma (the modern not-yet-written
version of "use English" module), make something for legible
fileops.
is_readable(file) is really -r(file)
note that these are hard to write now due to
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