Re: Nomenclature Question - BEGIN etc.

2008-04-10 Thread Mark J. Reed
JMD Consider the words that may be used to introduce a block for a special JMD purpose, like JMD JMD BEGIN JMD END JMD INIT JMD CATCH JMD etc. JMD JMD What do you call those? Well, lessee. The Common Lisp spec calls them situations in the definition of (eval-when)... JMD They are not even

Re: Nomenclature Question - BEGIN etc.

2008-04-10 Thread Chas. Owens
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 2:16 AM, Mark J. Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JMD Consider the words that may be used to introduce a block for a special JMD purpose, like JMD JMD BEGIN JMD END JMD INIT JMD CATCH JMD etc. JMD JMD What do you call those? Well, lessee. The

Re: Nomenclature Question - BEGIN etc.

2008-04-10 Thread Mark J. Reed
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 2:26 AM, Chas. Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It looks like they already have a name in S04: Closure traits*. * http://dev.perl.org/perl6/doc/design/syn/S04.html#Closure_traits I don't know, it seems like any value might happen to both be a closure and have traits,

Re: Nomenclature Question - BEGIN etc.

2008-04-10 Thread Chas. Owens
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 2:29 AM, Mark J. Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 2:26 AM, Chas. Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It looks like they already have a name in S04: Closure traits*. * http://dev.perl.org/perl6/doc/design/syn/S04.html#Closure_traits I don't

Re: Nomenclature Question - BEGIN etc.

2008-04-10 Thread jerry gay
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 10:31 PM, John M. Dlugosz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Consider the words that may be used to introduce a block for a special purpose, like BEGIN END INIT CATCH etc. What do you call those? They are not even special named blocks because that is not the block

Re: What I'm Working On

2008-04-10 Thread TSa
HaloO, John M. Dlugosz wrote: Can you give a pointer to where this was discussed? It was said by $Larry in the Adding linear interpolation to an array thread where I also tried to explain co- and contravariant typing of container types. Regards, TSa. -- The Angel of Geometry and the Devil

Re: Nomenclature Question - BEGIN etc.

2008-04-10 Thread Larry Wall
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 08:52:38AM -0700, jerry gay wrote: : On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 10:31 PM, John M. Dlugosz : [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : Consider the words that may be used to introduce a block for a special : purpose, like : : BEGIN : END : INIT : CATCH : etc. : : What do you

Re: Nomenclature Question - BEGIN etc.

2008-04-10 Thread John M. Dlugosz
Mark J. Reed markjreed-at-mail.com |Perl 6| wrote: Now you've lost me. I was pretty sure that was the block name. AIUI, you can give arbitrary names to any block, and these names function the same way (i.e. can be used in flow control statements), but they also happen to control when the block

Re: Nomenclature Question - BEGIN etc.

2008-04-10 Thread Mark J. Reed
As I read it, the original question was about the actual keyword - e.g. the word BEGIN - as distinct from the block it's attached to. Though I agree we need a general term for the latter, the name event block seems to imply that BEGIN et al are events, which might be ok or might cause confusion

Re: Nomenclature Question - BEGIN etc.

2008-04-10 Thread Larry Wall
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 01:35:57PM -0400, Mark J. Reed wrote: : As I read it, the original question was about the actual keyword - : e.g. the word BEGIN - as distinct from the block it's attached to. : Though I agree we need a general term for the latter, the name event : block seems to imply that

Re: failure notice

2008-04-10 Thread Larry Wall
Just so you don't think this is warnocked, I'm looking at it, and thinking about it. By and large it seems to be going the right direction, though I've naturally got a number of quibbles. Probably each quibble needs to be a separate thread though, since many of them will probably breed

Re: failure notice

2008-04-10 Thread jerry gay
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Larry Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On a larger question, I'm wondering if it's time to slush/freeze the Synopses as historical documents and put all spec effort into the new form (presumably as a wiki that knows how to serialize into a document). I don't

Re: failure notice

2008-04-10 Thread Larry Wall
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 12:11:05PM -0700, jerry gay wrote: : On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Larry Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : On a larger question, I'm wondering if it's time to slush/freeze : the Synopses as historical documents and put all spec effort into : the new form (presumably

My specdoc (was Failure Notice)

2008-04-10 Thread John M. Dlugosz
Larry Wall larry-at-wall.org |Perl 6| wrote: Just so you don't think this is warnocked, I'm looking at it, and thinking about it. Thanks. I thought perhaps everyone filtered it out since it had a bad subject line. By and large it seems to be going the right direction, though I've

Re: Nomenclature Question - BEGIN etc.

2008-04-10 Thread Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH
On Apr 10, 2008, at 13:29 , John M. Dlugosz wrote: I might have misremembered, but i thought labels were followed by a colon in Perl 6. A quick scan of the docs... It is illegal for a provisional subroutine call to be followed by a colon postfix, since such a colon is allowed only on an

Re: Nomenclature Question - BEGIN etc.

2008-04-10 Thread Ryan Richter
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 04:38:27PM -0400, Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH wrote: On Apr 10, 2008, at 13:29 , John M. Dlugosz wrote: I might have misremembered, but i thought labels were followed by a colon in Perl 6. A quick scan of the docs... It is illegal for a provisional subroutine call to

Re: Nomenclature Question - BEGIN etc.

2008-04-10 Thread John M. Dlugosz
I've consolidated all the discussion into one reply: The perldocs call them Five specially named code blocks, The Camel names them individually (e.g. BEGIN block). How about phase blocks? They control in what phase of compilation/runtime the code runs in. I don't know, phase sounds too

Re: Nomenclature Question - BEGIN etc.

2008-04-10 Thread Larry Wall
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 03:41:19PM -0500, John M. Dlugosz wrote: I've consolidated all the discussion into one reply: The perldocs call them Five specially named code blocks, The Camel names them individually (e.g. BEGIN block). How about phase blocks? They control in what phase of

Re: Nomenclature Question - BEGIN etc.

2008-04-10 Thread Mark J. Reed
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Larry Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, lessee. The Common Lisp spec calls them situations in the definition of (eval-when)... That's not bad. Oh, sure, ignore it when I first said it, but let John quote me and allasudden it's notable.. :-) An

Re: Nomenclature Question - BEGIN etc.

2008-04-10 Thread Bob Rogers
From: Larry Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:00:53 -0700 On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 03:41:19PM -0500, John M. Dlugosz wrote: Well, lessee. The Common Lisp spec calls them situations in the definition of (eval-when)... That's not bad. FWIW, eval-when only

RE: Nomenclature Question - BEGIN etc.

2008-04-10 Thread Miller, Hugh
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark J. Reed Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 4:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; perl6-language@perl.org Subject: Re: Nomenclature Question - BEGIN etc. but tag for the keyword feels right to me. We could

Re: Nomenclature Question - BEGIN etc.

2008-04-10 Thread Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH
On Apr 10, 2008, at 18:58 , Bob Rogers wrote: From: Larry Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:00:53 -0700 On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 03:41:19PM -0500, John M. Dlugosz wrote: Well, lessee. The Common Lisp spec calls them situations in the definition of (eval-when)...

episodes of execution

2008-04-10 Thread John M. Dlugosz
See my latest, in section 4.2, for a first cut on episodes. I took a first stab at formalizing all phases of translation and execution, and documented what was known about the episodes I knew about, especially those corresponding to keywords that introduce an episodic block (as a

Re: failure notice

2008-04-10 Thread John M. Dlugosz
It will always be too early, and too late. There will always be reasons not to do it till next year, and reasons you're hosed because it wasn't done years ago. Now is all we've got at the moment... Larry That's how C++ was. The call to ANSI was hot on the heels of a statement saying

Re: Nomenclature Question - BEGIN etc.

2008-04-10 Thread Mark J. Reed
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 7:41 PM, Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the other hand, that may be the answer right there: when-blocks. We have those already: given...when. -- Mark J. Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Nomenclature Question - BEGIN etc.

2008-04-10 Thread Juerd Waalboer
My suggestion: consequential blocks -- Met vriendelijke groet, Kind regards, Korajn salutojn, Juerd Waalboer: Perl hacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://juerd.nl/sig Convolution: ICT solutions and consultancy [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Nomenclature Question - BEGIN etc.

2008-04-10 Thread Mark J. Reed
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 8:49 PM, Juerd Waalboer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My suggestion: consequential blocks ...which would make other blocks inconsequential? Nuh-uh. -- Mark J. Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED]

syntax question on parameter lists

2008-04-10 Thread John M. Dlugosz
S06 shows how to define named-only parameters, marked with a prefix :. But no example shows anything more than a bare parameter name. No type is ever given! Looking through my copy of STD.pm, I'm baffled, as it seems not to take types in parameter lists at all. So, is it method bytes (

default parameters in methods

2008-04-10 Thread John M. Dlugosz
It is not specified in the Synopses as I recall, but I believe that this is useful enough that it must be made to work: method bytes (Encoding :$encoding = .encoding) returns Int or even method bytes (Encoding :$encoding = self!encoding) returns Int That is, a named-only

Re: syntax question on parameter lists

2008-04-10 Thread Larry Wall
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 03:26:02AM -, John M. Dlugosz wrote: : S06 shows how to define named-only parameters, marked with a prefix :. But no example shows anything more than a bare parameter name. No type is ever given! : : Looking through my copy of STD.pm, I'm baffled, as it seems not

Re: default parameters in methods

2008-04-10 Thread Larry Wall
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 03:35:37AM -, John M. Dlugosz wrote: : It is not specified in the Synopses as I recall, but I believe that this is useful enough that it must be made to work: : :method bytes (Encoding :$encoding = .encoding) :returns Int : : or even : :method bytes

Re: syntax question on parameter lists

2008-04-10 Thread Patrick R. Michaud
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 09:18:38PM -0700, Larry Wall wrote: On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 03:26:02AM -, John M. Dlugosz wrote: : S06 shows how to define named-only parameters, marked with a prefix :. But no example shows anything more than a bare parameter name. No type is ever given! : :

Re: syntax question on parameter lists

2008-04-10 Thread Larry Wall
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 11:36:09PM -0500, Patrick R. Michaud wrote: : Yes, but where does type_constraint resolve down to a typename? : My reading of STD.pm is that type_constraint becomes a value : (since it's not a 'where' clause in this case), and value is currently : one of quote, number, or