Re: Naming debate- what's the location for it?

[Parrot Raiser]

On 2/10/18, Darren Duncan  wrote:

> I think if we want to keep "Perl" in the name we should use "C" as a 
> precedent.
> Other related languages keeping "C" include "Objective C", "C#", "C++",
> >

Perl++ would work.

Re: Naming debate- what's the location for it?

[Steve Pitchford]

Ok. So here is something revolutionary.

Free up "Perl 6" for a future generation of Perl 5 and remove the ceiling
on the perl 5 language. Perl 6 has become more than a major iteration,
hasn't it?

Perl on parrot
Perl on jam
Perl on mono

Lots of space for a five from six once you vacate the lot.

Reposition as not so much a sequel as a spin off, a "b side". Some b-sides
have eclipsed the inspiration. Sometimes letting go is what counts.

Steve

( I continually admire from afar what has been achieved and surfaced in the
voyage of discovery that is YOUR language )


On 9 Feb 2018 10:34 pm, "Darren Duncan"  wrote:

> On 2018-02-09 12:55 PM, Eaglestone, Robert J wrote:
>
>> I think a name change is too radical. /And yet/.
>>
>> I think Steve has a point, though I don’t know what to do about it.  The
>> developers in my little corner of the world may not be up on the
>> new-language-of-the-week, but even they see Perl as a has-been, write-only
>> language, so when their brain matches /perl/i they automatically toss it in
>> the bit bucket.  Some of them are too nice to say it outright.  Some aren’t.
>>
>
> Personally I think having the "6" as part of the name is the worst part of
> the situation.  Its too confusing with a version number.
>
> I think if we want to keep "Perl" in the name we should use "C" as a
> precedent. Other related languages keeping "C" include "Objective C", "C#",
> "C++", and its much more clear those are separate languages, even if
> C-alike.
>
> So one way or another, "6" should be dropped from the name of the language
> formally.  Then we either have "Foo Perl" or "Perl Foo" or "Foo".
>
> After this is done, regular "Perl" can also be free to increment its first
> version number for major releases (albeit skipping 6 to avoid confusion)
> just as Postgres and many other projects do these days, as staying at 5.x
> forever is weird.
>
> -- Darren Duncan
>

RE: Naming debate- what's the location for it?

[Eaglestone, Robert J]

I think a name change is too radical.  And yet.

I think Steve has a point, though I don’t know what to do about it.  The 
developers in my little corner of the world may not be up on the 
new-language-of-the-week, but even they see Perl as a has-been, write-only 
language, so when their brain matches /perl/i they automatically toss it in the 
bit bucket.  Some of them are too nice to say it outright.  Some aren’t.

Six.

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Subject: Re: Naming debate- what's the location for it?

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Thought the conversation felt like bikeshedding but... My point still stands. 
This is a new language targetted at a post php world. The significance of a 
version number will be lost outside the perl echo chamber and in that context 
seen as baggage... IMHO... YMMV...

On 9 Feb 2018 6:15 pm, "Lucas Buchala" 
> wrote:
I doubt the name is "up for discussion" just because there's a blog
post about it. The name ain't changing ever, or at least that's how I
understand things. But, please, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Sure, you can have as many alternative nicknames and aliases as you
want (for marketing purposes?), but the official name won't change.
So, move on, folks.

Re: Naming debate- what's the location for it?

[Steve Pitchford]

Thought the conversation felt like bikeshedding but... My point still
stands. This is a new language targetted at a post php world. The
significance of a version number will be lost outside the perl echo chamber
and in that context seen as baggage... IMHO... YMMV...

On 9 Feb 2018 6:15 pm, "Lucas Buchala"  wrote:

I doubt the name is "up for discussion" just because there's a blog
post about it. The name ain't changing ever, or at least that's how I
understand things. But, please, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Sure, you can have as many alternative nicknames and aliases as you
want (for marketing purposes?), but the official name won't change.
So, move on, folks.

Re: Naming debate- what's the location for it?

[Lucas Buchala]

I doubt the name is "up for discussion" just because there's a blog
post about it. The name ain't changing ever, or at least that's how I
understand things. But, please, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Sure, you can have as many alternative nicknames and aliases as you
want (for marketing purposes?), but the official name won't change.
So, move on, folks.