Re: Perl6 and support for Refactoring IDE's

2005-06-03 Thread J Matisse Enzer
On May 26, 2005, at 10:03 AM, Piers Cawley wrote: Stevan Little [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ... The way I see it working is that the language itself has a bunch of minimal hooks that get triggered by various phases of compilation etc. Your editor then becomes something that instruments the

Re: Perl6 and support for Refactoring IDE's

2005-05-26 Thread Piers Cawley
Stevan Little [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On May 25, 2005, at 5:39 AM, Piers Cawley wrote: One of the 'mental apps' that's been pushing some of the things I've been asking for in Perl 6's introspection system is a combined refactoring/debugging/editing environment for the language. Maybe I

Re: Perl6 and support for Refactoring IDE's

2005-05-25 Thread Piers Cawley
Luke Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 5/6/05, J Matisse Enzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've become scared that if Perl is to continue to be viable for large, complex, multi-developer projects that the tools need to serious catch-up with what is available for Java, for example. Things like:

Re: Perl6 and support for Refactoring IDE's

2005-05-25 Thread Deborah Pickett
Piers Cawley wrote: One of the 'mental apps' that's been pushing some of the things I've been asking for in Perl 6's introspection system is a combined refactoring/debugging/editing environment for the language. One of the annoyances of the 'only perl can parse Perl' thing is not so much the

Re: Perl6 and support for Refactoring IDE's

2005-05-25 Thread Stevan Little
On May 25, 2005, at 5:39 AM, Piers Cawley wrote: One of the 'mental apps' that's been pushing some of the things I've been asking for in Perl 6's introspection system is a combined refactoring/debugging/editing environment for the language. Maybe I have been reading too much about Smalltalk

Re: Perl6 and support for Refactoring IDE's

2005-05-25 Thread Luke Palmer
On 5/25/05, Deborah Pickett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm afraid that because of the dynamic parse/execute nature of Perl, it may be a theoretically intractable problem to parse Perl safely. Yep. It's not really possible for the parser to distinguish between: BEGIN {

Re: Perl6 and support for Refactoring IDE's

2005-05-06 Thread Luke Palmer
On 5/6/05, J Matisse Enzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've become scared that if Perl is to continue to be viable for large, complex, multi-developer projects that the tools need to serious catch-up with what is available for Java, for example. Things like: - Refactoring Support (see

Re: Perl6 and support for Refactoring IDE's

2005-05-06 Thread Fagyal Csongor
Matisse, Will Perl 6 help us have tools that are as good or better than the ones available for Java, C#, etc? I've been using Perl since 1994 and for the past several years have used it to build a number of complex mod_perl applications. I love Perl. The following may be considered heresy,

Re: Perl6 and support for Refactoring IDE's

2005-05-06 Thread Larry Wall
On Fri, May 06, 2005 at 10:26:26AM -0600, Luke Palmer wrote: : In other words, Perl 6 is open to the possibility of such an IDE, and : is going to provide the machinery necessary to build a really good : one, but I doubt it will become a development milestone. I think that, just as Perl 1 built

Re: Perl6 and support for Refactoring IDE's

2005-05-06 Thread Fagyal Csongor
Matisse, Just one note before we take this off-list: Maybe this isn't the right place to keep discussing this, so I'll take pointers to other places. I'm very worried about the continued viability of Perl for major projects and am trying connect with other people and see what can be done about